Stonehenge Campaign
From: "Catherine Annandale" [ theseeress@seeress.fsnet.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Stone Henge Campaign.
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:52:01 -0000
Hello, I am currently in the process of writing a novel, which amongst other things is about the 'Battle of the Beanfield' in1985; I would be really interested in eyewitness accounts, videos etc of this event ( I wasn't there, but remember the news coverage well, and feared the same thing would happen when I attempted to go to Stone Henge in'86). If anyone can help me I'd be most grateful!
subject:PEPIS #16 - 20Jan00 - Davos/Bilderberg 2000
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:03:10 +0000
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Looks like Bilderberg 2000 will be in Austria - more information please....? www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#2000 Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- DAVOS CONFERENCE - 27th January 2000 EXTERMINATE! from SchNEWS Issue 243, Friday 14th January, 2000 at www.schnews.org.uk 'The World Economic Forum is an independent, impartial, non profit foundation which acts in the spirit of entrepreneurship in the global public interest to further public interest to further economic growth and social progress'. World Economic Forum. Yet again, unaccountable, un-elected, representatives from the corporate world of industry, political leaders, media moguls, and
I would ask; why, having found a few Aubrey rings in 1954 have they been covered over? Why not expose the whole 56 rings? 56 X 4 = 224 = the precise number of Lunar months over its 18.66 Year Cycle. Which equals 6615 Days divided by 224 = 29.53 ( the precise Lunar month to two decimal points!) Yours faithfully t o m b r a t b y
http://www.calendersign.ric.at/mayfest.htm
From: "Davey"
To:
subject:Guess what I think I've found?
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:11:26 -0000
Hi DG, As you know I'm an antiquarian artist
and I've recently been doing much of my work on Pictish symbols
which were carved between 400 and 900AD.
During my study I've found complelling evidence
that the Excalibur of folk lore is actually one of the Pictish pictograms.
I'd be delighted if you could cast a quick eye over my article at:
www.hippy.com/albion/ .
Yours faithfully David Vickers dave@childrenofalbion.freeserve.co.uk
www.hippy.com/albion/
ps. not a windup this time Old Bean
From: "Davey" [ dave@childrenofalbion.freeserve.co.uk ]
Subject: Aerial shots from the court case now in
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:36:35 -0000
Greetings, in the third millenium of their calling, D.G. We're still looking for witnesses for the cops gassing the kids. I've included the aerial shots from our recent court case on the front page at: http://victorian.fortunecity.com/cubist/340/ It's not many weeks till the kids have their day in court so any help will be greatly appreciated. Yours Davey ps. also still a new article a week at: www.hippy.com/albion/ ,this week's is about my 'Jumper' theory. Many thanks for the link you gave us from your most groovy site.
To: george@dicenews.com
Subject: dicenews
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:51:59 -0800 (PST)
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--------------------------------- Your name: GERDA & BONGO
Your email:mondhof@netway.at
What websites should I add or remove?
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subject:Welcome to stonehengepeace egroup
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:09:11 +0000
Hello, As "Manager" of The Stonehenge Peace Process egroup,
http://www.egroups.com/group/stonehengepeace I have posted some news about the National Trust there today. I want to build up a core of committed members before opening this up to the world through search engines, ffa postings and so on. So please come in, all of you, and tell your friends! Blessings
Help Folder: 2000jan
From: diipaka@irelands-web.ie
To: glenofthedowns@ireland.com
subject:GLEN BEING EVICTED 2.15pm jan 20th
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:52:54 +0000
CLIMBERS AND GARDAI ARRIVE IN THE GLEN TODAY
PROTECT WHATIS LEFT OF IRISH BROADLEAF FORESTRY
CALL FAX OR EMAIL YOUR TD SILE DEVALER
OR BERTIE AHERN NUMBERS IN THE PHONE BOOK
From: "Guilfin Media"
Reply-
To: moneypenny@mi5.uk.com
To: guilfin@mi5.uk.com
subject: [ Guilfin ] GuilFin's Something For the Weekend #47
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:51:58 PST
PLEASE FORWARD AND REDISTRIBUTE Greetings,
and welcome to the mega-mega GuilFin's Something For the Weekend #47,
your regular guide to what's happening in the South-East and beyond.
shock-horror ... this year's Guildford Ambient Green Picnic
(partly organised by the GuilFin crew) has been cancelled
by the Guildford Philarmonic (they have a convert the night before,
and we share the staging costs) ... last year they were over-budget,
and so have decided to have a "tribute-band" gig instead to pay off
the debt. Ahem ... Look out for the zoviet france tour this week ...
it's be *wicked*. *NOOS FROM SCHNOOS* -------------------------------
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DANCING AT FESTIVAL HORROR Shane Collins,
last years May Day pro-cannabis carnival organiser at Clapham Common,
has been summoned to appear in court for the most hideous of crimes,
having too much fun.
Apparently 30-40 people out of 15,000 were dancing without a license
-- BASTARDS!
Despite no complaints from the local residents,
From: The Land Is Ours
To: diggers350@egroups.com
subject: [ diggers350 ] Earth Repair
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:12:16 +0200
Earth Repair Many of our hedges have been lost!!
(or in a pitiful state) If we can give attention to this,
we will be giving backa great deal and helping to repair
the seemless fabric of the living land. If hedges are to remain viable, whether in town or country, they need appropriate management and maintenance. By and large t
info source Permaculture Magazine issue 7 ISSN 0967-5663 so find out about those hedges near you, and go and hug'm. lils The TLIO Networking Office The Land Is Ours ... a landrights movement for Britain +44 (0)1865 722016 16B Cherwell St, OXFORD, OX4 1BG check out our website
From: "Peter Maxey"
subject: [ diggers350 ] Imbolc
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:15:06 -0000
The wind is thrashing the trees a sense of urgency and expectancy
like a spring wound up the stillness of solstice
replaced by a restless hum of activity
it's all just about to happen better get ready!
From: chase@seinan-gu.ac.jp
To: george@dicenews.com
Subject: Re: Equinox
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:28:11 +0900 (JST)
Greetings from Japan!! Happy New Year!
Do you have any plans for events this year,
at the Equinox? Christopher Chase
From: kebele@marsbard.com
To: kebele@marsbard.com
Subject: Re: from Martin (Kebele)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:24:12 +0000
Martin
cheers for this - we're gonna meet at Kebele re the Terror Bill on Thursday 8pm, I haven't got owt together yet but I'll talk to you then (when's your deadline?)
La luche sigue Si @
" This troubled planet is a place of the most violent contrasts. Those that receive the rewards are totally separated from those who shoulder the burdens. It is not a wise leadership."
Spock 'The Cloud Minders' Star Trek, Feb 1969
CHALGROVE FESTIVAL
The site is a pleasant, secluded couple of fields owned by a pub in the village. The 'front' field, nearest the pub, is the stage with picnic tables & clean, manicured grass give the area a relaxed feel for those of us who like to go barefoot. I was fortunate enough to be doing some sound engineering with the regular crew, and look forward to probably doing that again, so may I say that the P.A. sound has excellent quality. The bands & smaller number acts were folk - both traditional, modern & combinations thereof. Especially to hear face-to face was Heron, the band Roy Aikle put together in the late-1960's or early-1970's & was a breath of fresh air to me still. There's a footbridge to the camping field behind, and the other festival venue is the music room of the pub, where some things are scheduled and some aren't.
blessing, see you sometime maybe.
Linda C. Steer
From: Lawrence Renee [ lrenee@globalnet.co.uk ]
To: george@dicenews.com
Subject: Music file
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:10:34 +0000
Hello there, Dice George. I like the new look to the site. I just thought I'd let you know my site's been updateed again with some more photos I took last year and I enjoyed the musical clips you've recently uploaded (especially the rainbow one with Lord Eric Sugumugu). Thanks once again for putting my pic in the 1999 Festival Eye. If you see any pics on my site you want to use, don't hesitate to e-mail me.
Bye for now,
Lawrence
From: Green Futures [ gfutures@gfutures.demon.co.uk ]
To: "Andy Boroughs" [ andy@organicenergy.demon.co.uk ] ,
bill@survival.demon.co.uk, Tony Briden [ tony@sentienc.demon.co.uk ] ,
nick@c-realevents.demon.co.uk, ccc@cccomms.co.uk, Chris Walford
[ chris.walford@cwcom.net ] , Shane Collins [ shane@gn.apc.org ] ,
David Currer [ dcurrer@talk21.com ] , Dice George [ george@dicenews.com ] ,
Jonathan Eveligh [ rainbow@lightnet.co.uk ] , Michael Irving
[ michaeli@globalnet.co.uk ] , howard@greenradio.fsnet.co.uk,
John A Kean [ jk@guarana.demon.co.uk ] ,
Steve Peake [ kakatsitsi@hotmail.com ] , roger brisley
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cc: Matt [ mrr@spherica.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Men's Dome progress
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:29:44 +0000
------- Forwarded message follows ------- Dear Jean,
First of all, I have been listening to the BGG CD which is excellent. Please commend Sam for excellent selection, production etc.
Secondly, I want to update you about progress with the Men's Dome, so you understand my thinking. In 1998, I held the space almost single handedly (I did have some support from a couple of friends) and it half killed me, effectively being there from 9 - 6 every day, and running all the workshops myself.
I want to involve a lot more men this July, but also I want to involve men in the planning stage, now onwards. At first, I thought I could do this by an evolving web-page, changing as my ideas developed following feedback from others. However, this has proved too complicated. Instead, I am doing the same by an evolving e-mail, of which I attach the current version. I send it to as many men as possible, asking for their help and comments. I will then send updated versions of it to those who have expressed interest. If you, Sam, or anyone else know of any men that might be interested in this process, please send on the e-mail. I am hoping it will soon actually evolve into a web-page, but I think I need to sort out a few more details first.
With best wishes, or as one man has put it:
Love and power,
Mike
Subject: VE day
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:00:15 GMT
Subject: FORM results
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 04:33:28 -0800 (PST)
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/vbkintro.htm
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:51:59 -0800 (PST)
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Your name: GERDA & BONGO
Your email:mondhof@netway.at
What websites should I add or remove? Please add: http://www.moonyard.com
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From: njweedman@yahoo.com
To: njweedman@yahoo.com
subject:Change of E-MAIL address and WEBSITE ADDRESS
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:24:56 -0800
I my e-mail address has changed my new address is
njweedman@420times.com or njweedman@yahoo.com
My Legalize Marijuana Party Website has also changed address's
The new address is www.420times.com/lmp
It's still under construction be is available.
This is a one time announcement!
This is an appeal for help from PADRAS (Pagan & Druid Rights & Services) which is a nascent umbrella group supporting The Stonehenge Peace Process as one of its projects, together with the TRC (Truth & Reconcilation Commission for Stonehenge) which holds regular meetings in Wiltshire. Apart from documents relating directly to the above, PADRAS plans to have on its website:
The site is NOT open yet and should NOT be advertised, we will let you know when this can be done. However if you wish to confidentially, check what's developing, to help you to help us with the coming launch, the location is:
http://www.cashsite.net/users/padras/
You will note that today this is just one page with no working links to anything, but it can be expected to advance bit by bit.
If you are interested in the services provided by cashsite (you could set up your own simple website there if you haven't got one yet) please visit:
http://www.cashsite.net/members/GF2479
Bright Blessings! -- George Firsoff
From: PWeb993174@aol.com
To: tribalvoices@geocities.com
subject:stonehenge
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 03:40:03 EST
I will write you later with news of stonehenge
in the usa
patrick
my e mail# is pweb993174@aol.com
Druids Abu
Fellow Gallavanter into Stone Mysteries
- Kris Nelson --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (From) Atlanta, Georgia, USA (Email) Zorniod@cs.com (Website) Not active yet (subject) stonecam.htm-Form
Dear George
thanks very much for the information you gave me today. I am very much looking forward to participating in this event and being able to contribute positive energies towards it.
As I said my name is Spacegirl and I'm a performance poet, storyteller and writer of prose. If you manage to get to the Warp (the one at OPEN club on Charing Cross Road, nearest tube Tottenham Court Road) you can find me there. The next Warp is March 3rd and thereafter every two weeks.
If you would like to know more about me you can see me at: ~www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~parcher/spacegirl.htm [ http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/parcher/spacegirl.htm ] .
Hope to see you in June if not before.
Bests wishes Spacegirl
A friend of mine was arrested at Stonehenge in '95 for ] trespass.
Do you mean for 'Trespassory Assembly'(TA) ? You cannot be arrested for 'trespass' Can you be more specific - actual charge, where arrested (in Stones, on road) and date of arrest? There was one arrest for TA, on the road, on 21st Jun '95, and he (Arthur) was acquitted. There was one arrest on 22nd, but for a public order offence as the TA order expired midnight 21st. There were 3 arrests for TA on Jun 1st, on the road. One did not respond to the summons (H?). The case against him was very weak. The other 2 defended the case through the courts all the way to the House of Lords and won. There should not be any other outstanding cases.
] Do you know of any laws that suggest the price to get in to the Stones was too much at that time.
The original deed of gift from Chubb specified 'not more than one shilling'
] I believe that the by-law stated that the price for access in the 60's/70's would never be above 70p.
Don't know about that.
] We think that people may have successfully fought court cases on this basis
Not that I know of.
] and we hoped that you might have contacts for them or some useful information.
There are people interested in challenging the entrance fee, but don't know if they are actively pursuing it at the moment.
] Anything that you can send could prove very helpful. This matter is very urgent
There are probably much easier defences than the entrance fee, but need more info.
P.A.
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:28:35 -0800 (PST)
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Your name:Alan
Your email:alan@26marquis.freeserve.co.uk
What websites should I add or remove?
How about Grateful Dead
Your comments please... Cool Place
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:15:47 -0800 (PST)
(StoneForm) youall got the coolest stuff (From) bruno (Email) brucecolbert@oberlin.net
From: Craig Winterburn [ WINTERBURN@winterword.freeserve.co.uk ]
Date: 01 February 2000 03:28
Winterburn would like to play at festival eye/Big green gatherings! Where would one send demos and biog to? As a family we went to The big green gathering at the Wiltshire site 1998 and was bold-over with the vibes, tremendous changes are afoot. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] [[[[[[[[[[ Love to a Druid, Craig
****************************** TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION FOR STONEHENGE ****************************
Thirteenth meeting Tuesday March 7th 2000 THE GEORGE HOTEL AMESBURY 2PM prompt to 6PM
The Commission is an open forum and is a voluntary initiative of The International Institute of Peace Studies & Global Philosophy, and of The Stonehenge Peace Process which is a project working to bring together all parties with an interest in the controversial issues of access to Stonehenge and the surrounding landscape. We believe that a lasting solution can only be found if everyone participates and the legitimate needs of everyone including druids and pagans, local residents, authorities, new age travellers, the public and all Solstice visitors can be addressed in a spirit of compromise.
English Heritage will be looking at far-reaching proposals, which some of us have helped put together, for public access to Stonehenge for the Summer Solstice Dawn in 2000. Those who support this big change in approach need to continue planning for the event, on the understanding that we will help its achievement, and confirmation of the plans is likely to come late in the day, if only because English Heritage's new Chairman only comes into office in April. The process of bridge building between the parties involved in the process of understanding, and with those who have not yet joined it, cannot rest but must be continuously facilitated. Whatever your views, we greet your contribution to the meeting. This is a promise from the Commission to listen and learn..
George Firsoff (Secretary) Tel 0117-9542273
From: diipaka@irelands-web.ie
To: glenofthedowns@ireland.com
Subject: glen news feb 1st
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:10:42 +0000
news
gardai raid two activists houses without search warrants police state?
Wicklow co co have to erect solid fencing to clearly mark the 'forbidden zone'
This grey area was never clear from the maps. 7 swore not to enter cut zone. 6 more must go to court on Friday for same.
clog the system
enter the zone save the trees get on line raise the glen issue with europe http://europa.eu.int/chatwallstrom/index.htm Let's highlight the Glen of the Downs issue and see if we can get some action.
Reply-
To: stonehenge@ait.tcp.co.uk
To: stonehenge
subject: [ Fwd: GE - Invitation to Hope and Resistance gathering ]
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:41:24 +0000
From: holly@gn.apc.org (Kathryn Tulip) (by way of GEN lists )
To:
GE - Invitation to Hope and Resistance gathering
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 15:55:24 +0000
Invitation Hope & Resistance Gathering 12-17th May 2000 Oxford, England
Workshop themes: - Evaluating our nonviolent resistance -Sustainability and support
A gathering of people from all over Europe committed to nonviolent direct action.
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From: Doubting Castle [ diynet@free.polbox.pl ]
Subject: [ diggers350 ] Re: CJA/ alternative lifestyles
Date: 09 February 2000 13:44
] Further to my request of 04:02:00 which was kindly solved for me by Steve Platt ] is there anyone you know, or you, yourself who has been directly ] affected by implimentation of CJA, and who would'nt mind talking to me through ] letter, e-mail or to meet up with at Glastonbury or whatever? I need court ] cases, (preferably chucked out), serial evictions affecting health, educati= ] on ] or other welfare, harrassment, confiscation of homes, moving rig abroad ] etc.
What puzzles me is why you think anyone should bother supplying you with this information. It sounds to me as if you just want all this for your own personal use, for a degree or whatever not to in anyway campaign against civil rights violations. The people who really ended up suffering from the CJA were not the alternative types but the ordinary travelling people. This is not so much through prosecutions but by local authorities being allowed to wriggle out of their responsibility to provide land for travellers to use. Youre not going to find people like that at Glastonbury they wouldnt be able to pay the admission charges.
] Although this is for my (ImMature!!!) Student dissertation titled "The effe= ] cts of the CJA on alternative culture in Britain", I'm not doing this from = ] a purely academic point of view....I was a Stonehenge attender in the 70s (= ] and Deeply Vale...ever been there? Lovely festival.)
What put paid to that era was not the CJA but the Public order act.
-- Farewell, Ian.
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From: Miles Spencer [ lordy@tcp.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: RE: Battle of the Beanfield
Date: 09 February 2000 04:53
cheers for the reply but i finished my degree over 2 years ago now.
cheers anyway
] -----Original Message-----
]
From: Dice George [ mailto:george@dicenews.com ]
] Sent: 09 February 2000 09:30
]
To: lordy@tcp.co.uk
]
Subject: Re: Battle of the Beanfield
]
]
]
] did you get anywhere?
] have you a webpage we could link to?
] tash has more beanfield stuff up,
] my statement to polics in in my dicepubl.htm
]
] ----Original Message Follows----
]
From: Lord Spencer [ lordy@tcp.co.uk ]
] Reply-
To: lordy@tcp.co.uk
]
To: george@dicenews.com
]
Subject: Battle of the Beanfield
]
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:33:15 +0000
]
] I need info on the battle , especially the transcript from the
] winchester trial, do you know where i can get some more info on the
] police behaviour at said event.
]
] Particularly a transcript of the Winchester ? TRIAL ?
]
] I am an ex-traveller (2.5 yrs) now doing a law degree.
]
] cheers
]
]
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:07:44 +0000
Hello again. The url to my site is
http://www.geocities.com/londonpics/
or....
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Tidepool/1551/
Lawrence
(StoneForm) You know that is very interesting how you made all additions on the page http://www.stonehengect.com/page2.htm, to make 9 the opposite of 6 which is always a return, but here is a better eternal return, the mathamatical pyramid which i forget the correct name of it starting off of one dividing into two and so on it looks like a pyramid , well anyway, the first part being god the second jesus and mary, the third being my family , four parts equal to seven , my b/d 14, my mom's 7, my dad's 21, my sister's, 19, so here it is if u do not follow (7, 21=2+1=3,14=4+1={5}19=1+9=10=1+0=1, and [ 7+1+3+5= 16=6+1=7... (From) matt (Email) mlm214@aol.com (Website) http://www.stonehengect.com/page2.htm
Well well well,
Just when you'd forgotten that you'd ever subscribed to the Godhaven Ink newslist, here comes an email full of news, funk, frolics and all manner of joyous abandon. Ish.
It's actually been dead busy here @ godhaven of late, though pretty much solely with the works of my own fair hand and fevered mind.
NEW ISSUE OF ROOTED
A new millennium calls for a new typing-error ridden zine, and we're just the kind of crazy cats to do it. Issue 2 of Rooted zine is finished and on
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
(StoneForm) A visit to stonehenge is planned by a couple from the usa. can you tell us when the weather is generally from 55 to 65 degrees days and 45 to 55 degrees nites? She wants to have some measure of privacy altho is not oppsed to believers in the left hand path sharing in our ceremony. Thank you from damieninhell and ladyofevil666. (From) damieninhell & Ladyofevil666 (Email) greatest@ktis.net (Website) http://members.icq.com/63782936
From: Alan Lodge [ tash@gn.apc.org ]
To: "'george@dicenews.com'" [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: tash has tested
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:42:43 -0000
ALAN LODGE
photographer - One Eye on the Road.
tash@gn.apc.org http://www.gn.apc.org/tash ___________________________________
hello george,
got your message in guestbook.... Checked out pages as asked.
Your right. it loads with script errors. But in effect, can't see what missing from info on pages. Find you frame arrangement bit difucult toget about though.
Regards
tash ___________________________________
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From: worthing.eco-action [ someone@worthing.eco-action.org ]
To: tribal voices [ tribalvoices@geocities.com ]
Subject: new project
Date: 14 February 2000 01:20
hi
people from worthing.eco-action, catalyst collective & radical routes are getting a new project together!
basically we can offer a marquee (20' x 20') plus "variable itinerant ragamuffins" with knowledge/experience/ability to run workshops on co-ops, environment, direct action, land reform, low impact lifestyles, deschooling/home education, greening cities, community building, kids art/play ... etc etc - masses of info, mixed in with performers, artists, music etc
"they worry when they see us, when they feel us, and they are angry, because we're showing them that life is different, showing them that the human spirit is still alive" -- http://www.worthing.eco-action.org
monthly events first tuesday of each month 7.30pm at 42 marine parade, worthing (above paiges bar on the seafront) videos, speakers, and more ... if you/your group would like to hold an event please let us know
Date: Monday March 2000 01:29 am
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
(StoneForm) Truely Magical. It was breath taking. I just wish I could have touched the stones. (From) Katy Doohan (Email) katydoohan@hotmail.com
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(StoneForm) Nothing new to say, 'cept what we all know already. They are our Stones, its all ours. Its about time we stand together and reclaim everything! Not just on the solstices and the like but all the time. We regularly jump the fence at Stonehenge, whenever we are passing. Come its easy and what is the worst that can happen. (From) Pressure Stance (Email) spiralchi@hotmail.com (printOK) Yes (except my address)
(txt) groovy, baby. I prefer Avebury meself but I'm willing and open thanks to this neat little site. sweet greetings, love Suze
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(StoneForm) I enjoy stonehenge very much but I wish I could walk inside the inner stones to get feeling of the past (From) Susan Garwood (Email) kenneth.garwood@btinternet.com
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(StoneForm) hi, I like your idea of free access to the stones. I am currently studying archaeology and have an essay : "Discuss the archaeological presentation of Stonehenge" Please e-mail me if you have any useful info. I would love to see them one day, but not from behind a fence, so good luck with your campaign! (From) sue williams (Email) susan.williams@stud.man.ac.uk
Hi there to whoever is reading this
My name is Kelly and I'm a university student. I'm proud to say I've been to see Stonehenge and the word 'amazing' comes to mind. I'm in my second year and I've got to do a small project on the possibility of putting something like a tourist information centre nearby. You know the sort of thing where you've got to put the advantages and disadvantages.
I don't know if I'll get anywhere with this but if anyone could help me out in anyway or share any personal views they might have, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks for reading this plea for help,
from Kelly
From: "Stonehenge under threat" [ stonehenge@care4free.net ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Stonehenge tunnel
Date: Friday March 2000 12:03 pm
George.... Thanks for your email. You're quite right, of course. One big question is: will the archaeologists who anticipate a lucrative contract to dig up the Stonehenge road route be objective enough to speak out against the scheme if the archaeological impacts look as appalling as some of us believe.
Some news from earlier this week (24th Feb). International Commission on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS) UK rejected a call from RESCUE and other bodies to put Stonehenge on the UNESCO World Heritage in Danger List, but they did make this statement:
ICOMOS UK position statement on Stonehenge at February 2000 The International Council on Monuments & Sites UK
Our World Heritage Committe had a full discussion on the Stonehenge situation at its meeting on 24th February, and members had before them copies of several representations from various bodies.
We were concerned that the presentation of the World Heritage Site should be improved and the following position statement was subsequently endorsed by the Executive Committee:
"ICOMOS UK supports, in principle, the general approach being adopted, subject to further evaluation of the details, and to a full Environmental Impact Assessment, which we would expect to form part of the Planning Process. The alternatives, including the long bored tunnel, would need to be assessed in equal terms."
We can see no practical value in Stonehenge being put on the World Heritage in Danger List, and we are not in favour of such a step.
Dr Philip Whitbourn, OBE Secretary
Cheers..... ChrisW.
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From: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
] Reply-
To: george@dicenews.com
]
To: george@dicenews.com
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Subject: Glastonbury Stonehenge Meeting + TribalVoices Gig, 25-26March,
]
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:40:22 GMT
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Subject: Glastonbury Stonehenge Meeting + TribalVoices Gig, 25-26March,
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From: george@dicenews.com
]
Date: 24feb2000
]
] Please help publicise and forward the following dates:
]
] Monday 20 March 6a.m. Equinox Sunrise east.
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
]
] Saturday 25 March 8pm Glastonbury Assembly Rooms
] Benefit Gig for TribalVoices and Stonehenge Campaign
] £4/5 with New Age Radio from Crystal Palace and more
] (eco musicians from Twyford etc) [ 07970-378572
]
] http://www.geocities.com/tribalvoices/glastgig.htm
]
] Sunday 26 March 2-5pm free Stonehenge Meeting
] at Glastonbury Assembly Rooms [ 07970-378572
]
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/glastone.htm
]
] Saturday 1st April Diggers gather at Little Heath
] near Cobham near George's Hill, Surrey
] http://www.oneworld.org/tlio
]
] Monday 1st May Mayday - banks closed.
]
] Thursday 1st June 2-3pm Stonehenge Walkers picnic
] with musical jam at Battersea Peace Pagoda.
] 3pm: Walk out of London.
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/scwalks.htm
]
]
] Wednesday 21st June Solstice sun rises over the Helestone
] all are welcome who come in peace
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
]
]
] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
] After a year's sleep the Tribal Voices website has been
] updated with sounds; and tapes 1 and 2 are for sale ,
] send £5.50 payable to "Tribal Voices" to
] 73 Brailsford Rd, Brixton, London SW2 2TB.
] We hope to get more of tapes 3 and 4 made for sale,
] and to record more music and videos,
]
]
] The Tribal Voices Musicians Co-operative
] has grown from the magic of the campfire,
] from the sense of comradeship we have found,
] coming together as one people to fight
] against the destruction of our common heritage:
] Our sacred sites, hallowed hills and ancient forests
] are under constant threat from modern lifestyles,
] consumerism, "growth", building, fast cars,
] new roads, pollution and destruction
]
] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
] Please link from your websites to these two websites, and to:
] http://www.dicenews.com [ george's hotlinks
]
]
] [ I'ved got this windmill powered 486 laptop,
] but it's not connected to the internet;
] I save to disk and cycle to Frome cybercafe
] or bus to Kebele or hitch to London
] hence the chaotic uncompletisms
]
]
] and checkout my internet single "Repetitive Squeaks"
] at http://www.geocities.com/dicegeorge/rsqueaks.htm
]
] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
] DISCLAIMER: go jump in a lake you gullible duck.
] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
]
] ~~~ I gotta mobile phone ~~~~~~ ~~ 07970-378572 ~~~~
] ~~~ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/george.htm ~~~~
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/repetitive-squeaks.htm
] ~~~ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm ~~~
] ~~ george@dicenews.com lightshow ~ Stonehengisms ~~
] ~~ http://www.geocities.com/tribalvoices ~~
] ~~~~ {{{{{ Stonehenge VE Day Book wow}}}}}}} ~~~~
] ~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.dicenews.com ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~
]
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: RE: Glastonbury Stonehenge Meeting + TribalVoices Gig, 25-26March,
Date: Monday March 2000 01:02 pm
Just a quick note to say how much we enjoyed repetative squeaks!! What software do you use to stream online audio?
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
Hi, my name is Dan Trunfio, and I am trying to find any footage of "Druid" festivals when it was still legal to hold them at Stonehenge. I don't even know if this is something you would have any knowledge of, but I'm hoping you might. I can be reached via e-mail or by phone at 323-993-7060 (Los Angeles). Thanks for any help you can give.
Dan.
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From: Bruce Bedlam [ brucebedlam@yahoo.com ]
To: george@dicenews.com
Subject: stonehenge
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:13:52 -0800 (PST)
Hi George
Have a pre-view of my web-site. It will be called
www.answer2stonehenge.com in a couple of days.
Meanwhile be the first to see it on
www.brucebedlam.free-online.co.uk
Kindest regards
Bruce Bedlam
PS.I found your address at random.
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form
Date: Tuesday March 2000 12:58 am
(StoneForm) stonehenge is a battleground for londoners who want to get their rocks off you never knew what went on there (subject) stonecam.htm-Form
BarbaraSanti@aol.com wrote: ]
] I am very interested to know what activities will be going on at Stonehenge ] for the Spring Equinox - is there something planned for the sunset or sunrise ] and on what day? There are always people there for the Equinox sunrise. (6.15 am 20th) P.A.
From: "Davey" [ dave@childrenofalbion.freeserve.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: This is scary!!!
Date: Tuesday April 2000 10:48 am
Yo D.G. This is wild, but I found this website that uses government files to find an actual photograph of ANYBODY. I was shocked to find that with no trouble at ll, it brought up an (old) picture of me. You should see if they have you in the database too!
http://www.bpent.com/fbi
From: Fraser Clark - The Parallel YOUniversity
[ fraser@parallel-youniversity.com ]
To: terence@flaunden.mail.easynet.net, mckenna@flaunden.mail.easynet.net,
heads@flaunden.mail.easynet.net
Subject: // OBITUARY: T.McKENNA
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:48:27 +0100 (BST)
//YOU RELEASE attached as a laid-out document, and also embedded below in the text of this email.
Obituary For A Prophet Unrecognised In His Own Time
Probably the most evolutionarily visionary mind on the planet died exactly a week ago. Unnoticed by 95% of the population. I knew and spent time with the man on two continents, studio-recorded and interviewed him on several occasions, and hatched several world conspiracies together. I've attached my last email to him - less than 24 hours before his death as it's turned out.
Terence McKenna, eschatological ethnobotanist, psychedelic philosopher, lyrical lecturer, Rave Culture rapper, drug shaman and author, who believed that Evolution was originally triggered by ingestion of the psilocybin mushroom (which had probably travelled for aeons across space to effect such a process!) died within months of the removal of a brain tumour by the latest gamma knife procedure, radiation, craniotomy, and gene therapy, the 'best' that science had to "offer".
Terence, 53, died at 2:15 a.m. Pacific time, on Monday, April 3, 2000, at a friend's home in San Rafael, California, in the presence of his brother Dennis, famed ethno-pharmacologist and shamanic traveler in his own right, and close friends. His last words are not yet on record, though he died much more privately than Tim Leary, the psychedelic prophet to whom he was most often compared, whose last words were "Yes! Why not?!"
In his final week of life, weak and unable to speak, Terence was described by Dan Levy, a close associate, as "a majestic soul, like a shining sun, with eyes brighter than ever." He was also described as "high in spirit, and embracing the idea of his own eschaton as only an accomplished psycho/spiritual adventurer can."
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
(comments) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your name: Jezzer Your email: Jez@supanovaradio.co.uk What websites should I add www.supanovaradio.co.uk Your comments please..."Alternative" radio from Albion
(StoneForm) Does anyone have a Geologic study of the stones especially the Sarsens and Bluestones. I would like to know the composition of the rock itself. this is research for a bookI am (trying) writing. (From) Caelyn Nagle (Email) caelynn@hotmail.com [ mailto:caelynn@hotmail.com ] (subject) stonecam.htm-Form (next-url) [ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/dgthanks.htm ]
Relevant to anyone who's ever disagreed with the government. Text message that follows also attached as Word Document.
YES, WE SENT THIS YESTERDAY BUT YOUR EMAIL PROGRAMME MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ IT - SO HERE IT IS IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT, JUST IN CASE...
New Prevention of Terrorism Act Imminent
A30 Group Responds With, Er, a Mass Beatles Impersonation...?
Dear friend,
By now you will probably be aware that the government is in the final stages of implementing a new Prevention of Terrorism Act. You may have also heard about an event called A30 (so called because it's happening on April 30th). This message is being circulated by the event organisers, to explain what we're about and invite you to come along.
Contents of this email (in order):
What is the A30 event? (and what it isn't)
(1) What is the A30 Event? (2) Who is organising it? (3) Details of the day (4) Some frequently asked questions (5) A bit of a rant about the bill (6) How to get in touch and find out more
(1) What is the A30 Event?
A few of us have got together to plan a humourous jibe at the seriously-disturbing new bill and at the same time bring together a load of disparate groups who will need to work together if we are to survive and ultimately defeat/repeal this new legislation. Clearly the coming together of squatters, ravers, environmentalists etc over the Criminal Justice Act was just the beginning. We are inviting a huge range of groups and individuals as well as some well-known political campaigners past and present to attend. The central focus of April 30th will be one huge outdoor group photograph of all the people present.
This is not a press stunt. We will not be pandering to the media. Neither the photographer - a campaigner herself - nor the well- respected political collage artist who we're asking to do the photo are journalists. This event is for us.
The photograph will take the form of a 'Class of 2000-style' school photograph, similar to the Beatles' record album cover Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Activists from other countries, whose British supporters will be branded terrorists by their own government, as well as British historical figures, will be represented by cardboard cut-outs!
Also, we are asking everyone to come dressed as if for their favourite type of direct action. For some this will mean 'come as you are', but for others it will mean climbing harnesses or animal masks, hiking boots or decontamination suits, tunnelling gear or 'national dress'. You may want to bring an appropriate prop such as your bike, tools, placards, banners, blockading equipment, a musical instrument...
(2) Who is organising it?
The A30 Group is a loose collection of environmental direct activists. We have been involved in grassroots campaigns against road-building, genetic engineering, the animal-abuse industry and the anti-CJA campaigns. We are not aligned with any political party or other organisation. We are all volunteers who are somehow funding A30 ourselves, with the help of some personal donations from friends. Although the majority of the groundwork for A30 has already been done, new input and offers of help are always welcome.
(3) Details of the day
Place and Time: Meet in Highbury Fields park, Highbury, London N5 at 2pm. The nearest tube is Highbury and Islington.
Duration: We expect the setting up and taking of the photo to take no more than one hour. The time around that can be used to network - it should be easy to spot who's who! The A30 event has been timed to coincide with the MayDay 2000 conference, which is happening throughout the bank holiday weekend just 15 minutes walk from Highbury Fields. Come and do both!
Photo details: We will provide a professional photographer and the resulting picture should be reproduced in lots of publications, so you can easily get a copy. We will also post it on our website, with a key to the cardboard cut-outs and campaigns represented. If you want you or your campaigns details publicised in that key you can approach us on the day, or in advance (details below)
This is NOT a press call. There will be a press statement, so it is likely the media will be turning up, but we won't be doing anything special for them. As usual, if you are uncomfortable with having a journalist in your face, you have the right to say so. By attending the event, you are only consenting to be part of the official "school photo" - and then only if you choose to get in the frame and strike a pose!
Special needs: Please let us know if you need special help with getting to the park.
(4) F.A.Q
- This all sounds a bit bizarre! If we are all going to be terrorists then shouldn't we be hiding our identities?
Well you could come in disguise or stay out of the actual photo. Or to be totally safe, change your name, have plastic surgery and flee the country. Joking aside, a government that wishes to destroy a political movement must first render the individuals anonymous. So we are all caught between a rock and a hard place: campaign as we want or be forced underground. A30 is obviously aimed at those who wish to continue their activities in the open, regardless of the bill. We hope you will join us.
- This isn't going to stop the bill, is it?
Probably not. The bill is in the Lords at the moment and there has been little opposition to its passage, so far. We all have a lot of work ahead of us - think of A30 as a first step.
- Why pander to the mainstream media's desire for 'spectacular' images at all?
This is not for them, it's for us. It's a celebration of our history, of who we are, a reminder of our combined strength and potential. Make the event what you want it to be - a reunion, a networking session, a chance to pay respect/share solidarity with past/current political movements, a piece of political art. A brief but passionate hour to remember as we continue the fight.
Why call it the A30 Event?
Apart from the obvious calendar reference, it is also referring to our anti-road building roots - the A30 Devon road protest was the first to fight a privately built & operated road. The A30 group are launching a pledge to defy the government's proposed new road-building programme, in spite of the new bill - for more information on this, see the website (address below). Although the name follows in the tradition of recent international days of protest, A30 is not an action.
(5) A bit of a rant about the bill
Our shared history of public dissent -
Freedoms are very rarely granted to a people; they are more often than not fought for. Activists, protesters, strikers and campaigners, indeed anyone who ever shoved against the brickwall of the status quo will tell you this. Action and confrontation in the streets and workplace is not the unacceptable face of politics, as many a government would have us believe. It is the lifeblood. Suffragettes committed criminal damage, ramblers trespassed, environmentalists pull up crops, hunts get sabbed, demonstrations, strikes and street parties are being turned into riots by police forces all the time.
The government claims that its new prevention of terrorism powers will not curb legitimate political action. It will merely clamp down on extremely violent agitators, a minority. This is nonsense. Who decides what is legitimate? Any tea-party can be made to look like a conspiratorial and riotous mob when you have an army of spin doctors on the payroll. MI5 have got to justify their enormous budget somehow.
There is no evidence to suggest that the new act will be implemented any differently to the old one in terms of civil liberties. The Irish experience shows all to well the intrusion, intimidation and violence metered out to families and communities in the name of the PTA. No-one who demonstrates, with any degree of success against anything, is safe. This is not scare-mongering. Read the Bill (web address below).
Obviously we have to wait and see how it is implemented, but we all know how hard it is to repeal even the most outrageous laws. Clause 28 and lowering the age of consent for gay men are two very timely examples. How many people suffer while the government rolls over to protect its minority of reactionary voters? At the end of the day this is a rushed and badly-worded bill, the barely hidden agenda of which is to divide and rule any dissenting communities. It seeks to punish political activity on grounds of motive, turn even more demonstrators into political prisoners, curb the freedom of expression, association and liberty of the Press... the list goes on.
(6) How to get in touch and find out more
The A30 group General enquiries address:
A30 Group c/o Dept.29, 255 Wilmslow Road Manchester M14 5LW 0161-226 6814
Email us at: a30@nematode.freeserve.co.uk
For links to related terrorism bill groups, including more info and updates on the bill itself, checkout the links on our website: [ http://drink.to/dissent ]
Mayday 2000 festival of resistance: 020 8374 5027
From: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
cc: [ mayday@indymedia.org.uk ]
Subject: Re: g@victoria monday
Date: Monday May 2000 07:32 am
up [ dating my homepage, back to westiminster in a few minutes
did you get my tromboning? it was my first time!
]
From: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
]
To: george@dicenews.com
]
Subject: g@victoria monday
]
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:25:41 GMT
]
] g@victoria monday 3.18pm
] I was playing my tromb9one with some drummers
] opposite big ben when a sound system / disco arrived
] and everybody ran over and even the drummers stopped
] so I walked away to the off licence
] then thaought i walk a bit further up to victoria
] and here i am in the cybercafe,
] i'll go back in a few minutes though-
] i clicked the RTS page and its the same as yesterday's
]
Sorry but i just cant agree with your veneration of statues and stones, the problem with our society is precisely this point - the idolatry of the old. If its old it has to be conserved -by all means study the ancient but to look at a statue of chuchill and get upset by its 'desecration'-only begs the question are you upset by his desecration of strikers in the 1920's or by his discussion, kept quiet by the establishment, that it might be worth siding with hitler as communism was a greater threat! Equally you put down those who paint stones at Avebury as a form of protest yet if they had done it 5000 years ago you would have idolised them, also do you idolise todays religons i doubt it but you seem to think the builders of Stonehenge are above them - they all bow down to some false god! who are we to decide which is better!
i do not wish to put down any one but you seem to do this by your put down of the people who are actively going out and trying to stop the the destruction of the world now- not harking back to a bygone age. Will you be in Prague in September? Hippy values are great but putting flowers in guns didn't work in the sixties and pissing the establishment off now is better - the ALF has achieved far more by direct action than through love and peace.
Sorry if this seems angry but i read enough in the main stream press about so called desecration without reading it from so called alternative people( and i have also lived in a bus for a number of years in the '80s)
with love chris
From: [ jesterdream@hotmail.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: I'm at Ruth's
Date: Wednesday May 2000 01:08 pm
Greetings, All, Sorry to be absent on this auspicious occaision,I'm stuck in fairyland on the minstral mission but I'm lined up in Taurus and will be checking for messages thru the evening while all of Glastonbury is doing it's thing down the road.Got1000 flyers for the gig out at Mayday, trying to get some more to the 6th, Glad Willy found sticky paper, it was harder than expected.P.A.I.N. Halo, Platform (highly recommended) Electrasweet and The Great Shiraz (magic show) all confirmed. Arsenal Tavern Blackstock road n5 can take 300 people at about £3 each minus expenses = a packet of biscuits...is 12th May too early for the newsletter? I might be able to get it there if everything gets in... artwork hopefully arranged... send me a message love from Jes ________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Im doing a project and i just wanted to know who do you think could have built this amazing site. Or who do you think was the most probable. Thank you and can you please email me back as soon as possible
To: [ stonehenge@stones.com ]
Subject: Light, laughter, love, peace, passion and poetry
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:25:08 +0100
Although I am glad to see that we have been granted access to all who come in peace it is still a little patronising as there would be uproar if say for instance Catholics were stopped from going to Cathedrals or Muslims to Mosques, Jews to their Temples. I come in peace with others and with a glad heart will demonstrate through love and understanding to these "authorities" that we are the loving and respectful people that we say we are. Not only is that the best way of achieving anything it is the only way. Light, laughter and love, peace, passion and poetry from your sister - Spacegirl
] but wouldn't ice have melted from friction heat It would move faster and more easily over ice, the little amount of heat generated wouldn't melt the ice much. ] and why not build it of wood if it was just a hut? [ LOL ] "just a hut".
It was an exertion of permanence. Remember I said ice-age, that's not a just a bad winter; for these poor souls the word would have changed completely. The storms would have been fierce. The seasons would be nearly meaningless. Everything they needed to live with would have to be included within the site. The building would have to be very sound. Imagine they did try building things out of wood or clay first. Remember the three little piggies. These folklore tales usually have a basis in truth. George Barbour.
I like his sense of humour. I think alot of people should just relax on the issue of racial purity. Blood is important, but so is how you live, and whether you are proud of your life and ancestors.
Jake
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: Len
To: [traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Stow Fair/Romani blood.
] Jake.. ] Is Mick Darling a Romani then? I always wondered... ] Len ] ] ----- Original Message ----- ] From: BRIAN RAYWID [raywid@hotmail.com] ] To: [traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk] ] Sent: 05 May 2000 15:43 ] Subject: Re: Stow Fair/Romani blood. ] ] ] Thanks Jake. ] ] Brian. ] ] ] ]From: "Jake Bowers-Burbridge" [jake.burbridge@ic24.net] ] ]Reply-To: traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk ] ]To: [traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk] ] ]Subject: Re: Stow Fair/Romani blood. ] ]Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:49:47 +0100 ] ] ] ]Brian, ] ] ] ]My mother is indeed a gorgie. But one of her ancestors was John Gray, a ] ]poet ] ]and friend of Oscar Wilde. The Grays are a well known Scottish Traveller ] ]family ( I've heard the name supposedly comes from "gry") of which he was a ] ]member. An article about him appeared in the Times a few years ago in which ] ]Romani blood was mentioned much to the embarassment (and my amusement) of ] ]the gorgie half of my family. It's that blood, the fraction of which I ] ]cannot remember, that makes me "more than half of the blood in my veins ] ]Romany". ] ] ] ]It's not something I've researched thoroughly, you no doubt know more about ] ]John "Brock" Gray than I do. May even have shaved a hotchi with him for all ] ]I know. ] ] ] ]As Mick Darling would say "I don't need a pedigree, because I ain't a ] ]stud". ] ]But now you have mine. ] ] ] ]Jake ] ] ] ] ] ]----- Original Message ----- ] ]From: BRIAN RAYWID [raywid@hotmail.com] ] ]To: [traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk] ] ]Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:09 PM ] ]Subject: Re: Stow Fair/Romani blood. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] Jake, ] ] ] ] ] ] Having read your article below, I am genuinely puzzled as to how over ] ]half ] ] ] the blood in your veins is Romani? You said recently that your father ] ]is ] ]a ] ] ] Romani (which I don't question) but your mother is a gorgie. If your ] ]mother ] ] ] is a gorgie how does that make you more than half Romani? ] ] ] ] ] ] Brian Raywid. ] ] ] ] ] ] ]From: "Jake Bowers-Burbridge" [jake.burbridge@ic24.net] ] ] ] ]Reply-To: traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk ] ] ] ]To: [patrin-roma-culture@igc.topica.com], "adrian arbib" ] ] ] ][arbib@dircon.co.uk], "Amanda Sebestyen" [AntAm@compuserve.com], ] ] ] ] "George Monbiot" [g.monbiot@zetnet.co.uk], "gypsy" ] ] ] ][Gypsy@ukgateway.net], "nicholas Dow" ] ] ] ][thedows@atchintan.freeserve.co.uk], "Nigel Dickinson" ] ] ] ][nigeldickinson@compuserve.com], ] ][traveller-acad@mailbase.ac.uk], ] ] ] ] "Torrance, Jason" [Jason.Torrance@uk.greenpeace.org] ] ] ] ]Subject: Stow Fair ] ] ] ]Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:15:59 +0100 ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] The following article will appear next week in the Big Issue. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Thousands of Gypsies will head to the south west this week for one ] ] ] ]of their most important annual events the Stow horse fair. ] ] ] ]But the event is under threat from local prejudice and aggressive ] ]policing. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Jake Bowers reports ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] Deep in the South West countryside thousands of Travellers will ] ]gather ] ] ] ]this ] ] ] ]week for one of the most important events on the Gypsy calendar: the ] ]year's ] ] ] ]first horse fair. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Horse fairs are a social gathering that glues Gypsy culture and society ] ] ] ]together. In an age when nomadic life is all but outlawed, they are to ] ] ] ]travellers what the Notting Hill carnival is to Afro-Caribbeans. Except ] ] ] ]here ] ] ] ]you won¹t see policemen dancing or smiling. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Stow-on-the-Wold in Gloucestershire has held its fair since 1476 when ] ] ] ]Edward ] ] ] ]IV decreed that two fairs a year should "forever be held for the relief ] ]and ] ] ] ]succour of the inhabitants of the county" granting them a Royal ] ]Charter. ] ]As ] ] ] ]such they are a permanent fixture on the rural calendar until abolished ] ]by ] ] ] ]an act of Parliament. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Over the years, the fairs have changed. Visitors 30 years ago would ] ]have ] ] ] ]seen hundreds of beautifully painted wagons and the horses that pulled ] ] ] ]them. ] ] ] ]Although a few stubborn traditionalists still make the annual ] ]pilgrimage ] ] ] ]with horse and wagon each year, it is mainly modern caravans and ] ]lorries ] ] ] ]that crowd the site. But it¹s not only the technology of travelling ] ]that ] ] ] ]has ] ] ] ]changed, the attitude of the authorities responsible for policing the ] ] ] ]fairs ] ] ] ]has too. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Until the late Seventies, horses were shown and raced on the main ] ]street ] ]of ] ] ] ]Stow. Nowadays, the fair is confined and restricted to a field on the ] ] ] ]outskirts of town. But bobbies on the beat are no match for the skill ] ]and ] ] ] ]agility of Gypsy chavies (children) on horseback who sometimes taunt ] ]the ] ] ] ]police by riding horses up the main street. To the children it is a ] ]chance ] ] ] ]to tease the gavvers (police) but they are also reclaiming the rights ] ]of ] ] ] ]their ancestors. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Not content with forcing the fair out of town, Cotswold District ] ]Council ] ] ] ]obtained a permanent injunction in June 1996 to stop people from ] ]camping ] ]on ] ] ] ]land owned by travellers at the edge of the town. Every year, nearby ] ]lanes, ] ] ] ]field entrances, car parks and verges are blocked by police tape. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]"We have taken out the injunction prohibiting people from staying in ] ]one ] ] ] ]field," says Council spokeswoman Claire McGine. "Sometimes they stay ] ] ] ]overnight but we would take action to move them on if they stayed a few ] ] ] ]days. The object is not to discourage the fair but to control the level ] ]of ] ] ] ]disturbance to local residents." ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]But local residents are divided about the fair. Vera Norwood, ] ]shopkeeper ] ] ] ]and ] ] ] ]chairwoman of Stow Town Council, says: "The Gypsies have been very ] ]badly ] ] ] ]treated by the district council and a few nasty business people. The ] ] ] ]authorities threaten people with imprisonment and have even discussed ] ] ] ]demanding planning permission for every caravan that comes." ] ] ] ]Others are less sympathetic. One bus driver told me: "you see all the ] ] ] ]disgusting drinking, fighting and carrying on as soon as you get near ] ]it. ] ] ] ]Those dirty Gypsies come twice a year and there is nothing we can do to ] ]get ] ] ] ]rid of them." ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Local publicans, encouraged by the police, either close up for the week ] ]or ] ] ] ]ban travellers altogether. Every year The White Hart Inn hires burly ] ] ] ]bouncers to keep Gypsies out. A "No Travellers" sign hangs above the ] ]door, ] ] ] ]in direct defiance of the Race Relations Act. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]It¹s difficult to tell how the bouncers decide who they won¹t ] ] ] ]allow in Stow is a place where all travellers meet, red-haired Irish ] ] ] ]travellers, dread-locked new travellers, olive-skinned old Romany ] ]ladies ] ] ] ]and ] ] ] ]every shade of skin colour in between. They welcomed me with a smile ] ]last ] ] ] ]year, unaware of the fact that over half the blood in my veins is ] ]Romany. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Mick Darling is a traveller and musician who has been coming to the ] ]fair ] ] ] ]for ] ] ] ]40 years. He denies that it is unpopular with the majority of locals ] ]and ] ] ] ]says the campaign to stop it is backed by only a handful of influential ] ] ] ]people. "It's always the empty barrels that make most sound," he says. ] ] ] ]Mick came across barrels of a different kind in 1968, when soldiers ] ]were ] ] ] ]used to stop Todcliffe fair in Yorkshire. The local Council publicised ] ]its ] ] ] ]intentions to have the fair unchartered in the London Evening Standard. ] ]Not ] ] ] ]surprisingly no written objections were received and the Council called ] ]the ] ] ] ]army in when thousands turned up to attend the fair. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Thankfully, confrontations at Stow have not reached that level, but ] ] ] ]travellers feel increasingly threatened and intimidated by the heavy ] ] ] ]policing. "The fairs are for everybody, not just travellers, and they ] ]are ] ] ] ]one of the few freedoms we have left," says Mick. "In this day and age ] ]when ] ] ] ]travelling is more difficult, it is increasingly important to the ] ]survival ] ] ] ]of our culture." ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Caravans may have largely replaced wagons, but the original purpose of ] ]the ] ] ] ]fair - selling horses - lives on. Travellers show off their horse ] ]skills ] ] ] ]as ] ] ] ]they ride and drive horses through the crowds without warning, ] ]scattering ] ] ] ]panicking spectators everywhere. It¹s a chaotic scene that seems more ] ] ] ]suited to the ] ] ] ]streets of Spain than the mellow lanes of the Cotswolds. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Pride of place among the horses are skewbald and piebald cobs, ] ]sometimes ] ] ] ]known as Gypsy cobs or tinker horses in other countries where they are ] ] ] ]increasingly valued and exported. They are robust horses that have been ] ] ] ]used by travellers for pulling wagons for hundreds of years. Renowned ] ]for ] ] ] ]their good temperament, strength and versatility, they can be ] ]recognised ] ]by ] ] ] ]their ] ] ] ]distinctive black and white, or brown and white, colouring and hairy ] ] ] ]feathered feet.At fairs, travellers often shampoo and back-comb the ] ] ] ]feathers into a bush of hair that would turn Tina Turner green with ] ]envy. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]The Gypsy cob seems to prove the point that pets are like their owners, ] ]and ] ] ] ]are a completely different animal to the thoroughbred favoured by ] ]well-bred ] ] ] ]aristocrats. Cobs are hardy, and have great stamina and intelligence. ] ]Like ] ] ] ]their owners, they are often undervalued and frowned upon by those at ] ]the ] ] ] ]top of the social ladder because their origins are not recognised and ] ]no ] ] ] ]written pedigree exists. But unlike thoroughbred horses, or well-bred ] ] ] ]people, Gypsy people and horses have a strength and grace independent ] ]of ] ] ] ]the status they are accorded. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]"For me Stow is a reminder of the sense of celebration so many of us ] ]have ] ] ] ]lost", says Jeremy Sandford, writer of the acclaimed ] ] ] ]BBC docu-drama Cathy Come Home. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Sandford has recently completed a film about British Gypsy music called ] ] ] ]Spirit of the Gypsies, which was shot on location at Stow. "It is the ] ] ] ]crowning of my summer," he says, "and the best place for all people to ] ]see ] ] ] ]the vibrancy of living Gypsy culture." ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]"The interesting thing,² comments Mick Darling, "is that people are ] ]really ] ] ] ]beginning to get interested in horses and wagons again. You should see ] ]the ] ] ] ]hundreds of beautiful horse-drawn wagons that come to Appleby fair in ] ] ] ]Cumbria in June. Sometimes people only appreciate something when ] ]they¹ve ] ] ] ]almost lost it." ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Stow Fair is held at Stow-on-the-Wold, Gloucestershire ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]May 9 - 14 and October 24 - 28. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Priddy Fair is held at Priddy, Somerset on August 16. ] ] ] ]Appleby Fair is held at Appleby, Cumbria June 8 - 14. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]"The Spirit of the Gypsies" can be bought for £15 from The Gypsy ] ]Council ] ] ] ]for Education, Culture, Welfare and Civil Rights, 8 Hall Road, Aveley, ] ] ] ]Essex, RM15 4HD. ] ] ] ] ] ] ________________________________________________________________________
"as to gypsy blood- I agree with John Steinbeck in one of his novels where he says blood doesnt count for much as to who you become humans come from africa and all walked or sailed to Britain some are born settled and later travel some are born travelling and later settle, its all temporary"
sez (dice) George.
Yes, I agree with the above. There is only ONE human race made up of folks with different ethnic backgrounds and cultures and social traditions. All this blather about different races, or pure or unpure blood, is ridiculous poppycock, old-fashioned and unscientific.
Thomas Johnson: uilleann pipes, flute
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.geocities.com/tribalvoices/john.htm
(comments) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Maria, I met John at Wandsworth where I lived for 4 months & got to know him faily well, he was a born campainer straight from the heart. While at Wandsworth he seemed mainly concerned with his children, but also with everything else that was hapening there & elswhere, he was always kindhearted & whould always have an ear ready. I think i can saftly say he is missed by everyone who knew him & i'm sure he has already returned to help anywhere he's needed. Hopefully one day we'll meet, as i whould also like to meet his children. Love Red
From: "Jaz" [ haf@eidosnet.co.uk ]
To: [ stonehenge@stones.com ]
Subject: summer solstice
Date: 21 May 2000 16:43
To All, Is it true there is to be 'gathering' permitted on the summer solstice at stonehenge this year? We shall be there anyway but it would be especially nice to be able to reach the stones without all the police bullshit.... I am I correct in believing that there will not be any police involvement? If not what is the score? Last year we felt targetted at the Stones because we were playing drums, this is not the only occassion either. It seems that they feel somewhat threatened by the drums and actively search them out. This our experience anyway..... Well whatever we shall be there with our drums and good vibrations.... see u all there.... peace, love and light -The Spiral Collective- ps-please send any info. regarding how we can become more actively involved-
From: "Phoenix" [ phoenix23@positive-thinking.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Re:phoenix - george
Date: 20 May 2000 14:02
cheers george stay in contact im in italy at www.damanhur .com ,on
walkabout visiting squats and communities for inspiration been hitching and
train jumping
through spain and france to italy ,next to swiss germany,austria czech
,possibly,hungary then to holland
researching for a new website global solutions.net talk to headstrong and
note down any solutions you come across got to awaken the rainbow network
and into action for 21stcentury love phoenix
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Original Message
From: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: phoenix - george
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:46:44 GMT
] hello,
] im in london
] dave is here
] back to somerset tomorrow
] 18-20 feb land is ours winter meet at
] might get to kebele again soon
] check out lord eric sugumugu in my real audio directory
] findable from tribalvoices
] or...
]
] whereto next?
] im on a quiet site near DWB
]
] ~~~ I gotta mobile phone ~~~~~~ ~~ 07970-378572 ~~~~
] ~~~ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/george.htm ~~~~
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/repetitive-squeaks.htm
] ~~~ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm ~~~
] ~~ george@dicenews.com lightshow ~ Stonehengisms ~~
] ~~ http://www.geocities.com/tribalvoices ~~
] ~~~~ {{{{{ Stonehenge VE Day Book wow}}}}}}} ~~~~
] ~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.dicenews.com ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~
From: "Lawrence Renee" [ lrenee@globalnet.co.uk ]
To: "Rory Cargill" [ etherealmusic@LineOne.net ] ; [ rts@gn.apc.org ] ; [ Revolutionary@acidtest.co.uk ] ; "mirjam rouden" [ mirjamrouden@hotmail.com ] ; "andy (or george)" [ festivaleye@stones.com ] ; "dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ] ; "Simon" [ simonleongroves@consultant.com ] ; "Gary Cahalane" [ cygenesis@geocities.com ]
Subject: Re: [ mayday2000 ] Dope springs eternal from May Day riot (Guardian)
Date: 26 July 2000 16:11
Hello out there. Here's a message of an old newspaper report I got in an e-mail recently.
Peace wrote:
Dope springs eternal from May Day riot
May 2K: special report
Nicholas Watt, political correspondent
Thursday July 6, 2000
Green-fingered protesters, who dug up Parliament Square on May Day, have had the last laugh after a crop of marijuana plants was discovered in the shadow of Winston Churchill's statute.
MPs rushed across to the square last night to inspect the fledgling plants - each no more than four inches high - which sprouted up thanks to the efforts of the "Avant Gardeners" who invaded the square during the May Day riots.
The crop was discovered yesterday by a group of aboriginal protesters as they launched a protest in Parliament Square to coincide with the visit by the Australian prime minister, John Howard. "We should all emigrate to England," declared Michael Anderson of the Sovereign Union of Aboriginal Peoples.
There was mixed reaction at Westminster last night as news filtered out that parliament now had its own supply of marijuana.
The Labour MP Paul Flynn, who campaigns for the legalisation of cannabis, pledged to mount a vigil to protect the crop. "This is a sign of hope that nature can triumph over prejudice," he said. "But no doubt Jack Straw will be down there first thing in the morning to destroy the plants with the ritual stamp of intolerance."
The Home Office minister, Paul Boateng, remained firmly on message when asked about the crop. "Have you told the police?" he barked.
Police said last night that they would move in quickly to remove the "illegal plants". One source said: "Officers will arrange for the plants' speedy removal before destroying them. But there are unlikely to be any prosecutions because it all happened eight weeks ago."
The May Day gardeners will be delighted with their handiwork, which shows that the authorities have failed to clear up the square. The plants were last night clearly visible behind the metal barriers, which are meant to bar access to the square to give fresh grass a chance to grow back. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Come to Reclaim the Satyagraha! Breaking the silence on nonviolence in the anti-capitalist movement.
www.satyagraha.org
"It is through disobedience that progress is made."
Oscar Wilde
From: David Crockett Williams [ ] gear2000@lightspeed.net ]
To: chris [ ] chris@schmoo.co.uk ] ; GlobalPeaceWalk eGroup [ ] global-peace-walk@eGroups.com ]
cc: [ ] george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Walk, London Affiliation
Date: 28 May 2000 13:55
Thanks to Chris in London the walks to Stonehenge England this year going on in coming weeks are being conducted with link in principle to Global Peace Walk 2000 http://www.globalpeacenow.org which shares a common inspiration from the teachings of Gandhi's "Fujii Guruji" whose followers built the Peace Pagoda at Battersea Park in London.
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris" [ ] chris@schmoo.co.uk ]
To: "David Crockett Williams" [ ] gear2000@lightspeed.net ]
cc: [ ] gpzone2000@aol.com ]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 1:58 PM
Subject: Stonehenge Walk, London Affiliation
] Dear David, finally I am please to be able to connect you with the
] Stonehenge Walk/Pilgrimage.
]
] London - Stonehenge, Wiltshire.It leaves the Battersea Park Peace Pagoda,
] London June 1st (assemble 2pm) arriving at Stonehenge on June 20th to
] celebrate the Summer Solstice on the 21st.
]
] Brighton - Stonehenge - left 27th May. Contact details as below.
]
] This year the authorities at Stonehenge are letting people in to the stone
] circle over night to mark the passing of the movement of the planets.
]
] Previous years have seen massive free festivals - up to 80,000 people in
] 1984. Celebrations were banned in 1985, which saw the 'Battle of the Bean
] Field' in which a convoy of over 200 vehicles was ambushed by police and
] 550 people were arrested. Since then a small group coordinated by the
] Stonehenge Campaign have been walking from London every year. This year up
] to 200 people are expected and no problems are expected.
]
] Contacts:
]
] Stonehenge Campaign, C/0 99 Torriano Avenue, London NW5 2RX.
] Contact: Willy X: (020) 7722 4781.
]
] Website: http://www.dicenews.com/stonehenge
] E mail: george@dicenews.com
]
] London - Stonehenge Walk Mobile Phone (Willy x): 07947 787 628.
] Brighton - Stonehenge (Debbs) 07970 945003.
]
] The Stonehenge Walk is very pleased to be affiliated with the Global Pease
] Walk 2000.
] Willy X (London), Dice George (email.web), Debbs (Brighton).
]
]
............................................................................
....
] .....................
]
] best wishes chris (sanders)
]
]
]
13TH OF MAY: AN INTERNATIONAL DAY OF SOLIDARITY WITH MUMIA ABU JAMAL, THE VOICE OF THE VOICELESS
Revolutionary, Afro-American journalist, Mumia Abu Jamal has been sentenced to death, targeted by the US Government through their counterintelligence programs- COINTELPRO - intended to disrupt, discredit or otherwise neutralize any form of radical opposition to the status quo.
Condemned for a crime he never committed, Mumia has been constantly harassed because of his activism in support to all the oppressed around the world; because of his exposure of injustices as a revolutionary journalist, becoming internationally renown as "The voice of the Voiceless"; because of his uncompromising support for all Political Prisoners and Prisoners Of War.. He's a constant target of repression because 19 years on Death Row couldn't prevent him from carrying on his revolutionary activity, which is still going on in the Maxi Security Penitentiary at SCI Greene, Waynesburg (Pennsylvania).
Today the struggle to save Mumia's life represents the struggle against a racist and classist Death Penalty System which affects mostly Afro-Americans and Latinos and, in general, everyone who can't afford an effective legal defense; it represents the struggle to free all Political Prisoners and Prisoners Of War, incarcerated for their commitment against oppression and exploitation created by the "New World Order", by the International Monetary Fund and by the World Trade Organization.
From: [ rubbermoon@buddha.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Another person trapped in Somerset
Date: 14 May 2000 07:13
was searching for stuff on Reknaw PA from Hackney and was shocked to find something, Chris wanted some stuff on them and i said i would look.
We were both suprised at your site, another poor person once residence in London now trapped in Somerset...Chris also went to Market rd nights in Camden (living in Hackney and putting on occasional party himself, i think) went to Stonhenge free festivals and views himself as an undiscovered pop star.
How wierd? or not, i thought i would email you and let you know of these strange coincedences, plus after putting so much effort into a website its probably nice to know that someone out there noticed it.
Talullah
(If you get this message more than once, my email is a bit broken)
Hi, someone actually sells a pocket watch that has the stonehenge structures built into it. You're right, it is more accurate at that latitude, but their are ways to compensate. A compass can give you the proper orientation. I understand that their are model kits that one can purchase. I was just going to use it in my high school astronomy class to discuss the history of time. Thanks, Gregg
]
From: "dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
]
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:35:34 +0100
]
To: "westside" [ westside@uswest.net ]
]
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Pocket Watch?
]
] i dont think the shadows of the stones would work
] if you made a portable version of stonehenge,
] and how would you align it north east,
] and it wouldnt work at different lattitudes,
] but please tell us more about your project
]
] ~~~ http://www.dicenews.com ~~~~
] Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~
] george@dicenews.com
] phone: 07970378572
] (I get the first 50 characters of your email
] on my mobile phone!)
] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
] http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/george.htm
] ~~~~~~~ http://www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~
] ----- Original Message -----
]
From: "westside" [ westside@uswest.net
]
]
To: [ george@dicenews.com
]
] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:05 AM
]
Subject: Stonehenge Pocket Watch?
]
]
]
] Hi, do you know where one could purchase a Stonehenge replica pocket
]
] watch? I wish to use it in my classroom for an astronomy lesson.
]
] Thanks, Gregg, Seattle, WA, USA
]
]
]
]
]
From: "Mason" [ tonymason@wootton66.freeserve.co.uk ]
To: [ stonehenge@stones.com ]
Subject: Solstice 2000
Date: 14 May 2000 09:18
Tribal Gathering Tribal Gathering Can you hear the drums Tribal Gathering Under a mid summer sun.
Tribal Gathering Do you feel the summons of the stones The meeting place of the clans In the temple of the sun.
The pipers are piping The drummers are drumming The fire dancers are swirling Do you hear the call
Put on your marching boots And take to the old road To the grasslands of wiltshire Your ancestral home. Copyright ARMason
Radio announcement 11th may 2000 radio 2 Free access during summer solstice 2000 The parties really moving now Have you seen the West wood complex near Clatford, avebury 2 Stone circles in beech wood E-mail ram99@yahoo.com
The Worldwide Cannabis Action on Saturday May 6th 2000. Now in 86 cities worldwide. Please forward this information to anyone you think might be interested.
Latest good news:
Cannabis 2000 Festival Gets Entertainments Licence
Lambeth Council have granted an Entertainment Licence for what promises to be the largest combined march and free festival in favour of an end to Cannabis Prohibition seen in the UK.
ITV Teletext 11 May
STONES TO OPEN DURING SOLSTICE
Stonehenge is to open to the public over the summer solstice for the first time in more than 10 years.
Sir Neil Cossons, chairman of English Heritage, said there will be managed open access with tight security.
The Wilts site was shut during the summer solstice in the 1980s and a four-mile exclusion order was put in place following disorder problems.
ITV South Teletext 11 May
STONEHENGE OPEN FOR SOLSTICE
Stonehenge will be open to the general public over the summer solstice for the first time in more than 10 years.
English Heritage chairman Sir Neil Cossons said there will be managed open access to the Wiltshire site in June, but with close security.
The move comes just one year after an organised visit for 150 people was disrupted by gatecrashers.
BBC CEEFAX 11 May
SUMMER SOLSTICE OPENING FOR STONEHENGE
Stonehenge will be open to the public over the summer solstice for the first time in more than 10 years, it has been announced.
Sir Neil Cossons, chairman of English Heritage, said there will be managed open access to the historic Wiltshire site in June with close security.
The move comes a year after a planned visit for 150 people was disrupted.
Gatecrashers pushed down fences and climbed on the stones.
BBC SOUTH CEEFAX 11 May
STONEHENGE WILL BE OPEN FOR SOLSTICE
English Heritage has announced that Stonehenge will be open to the public for this year's Summer Solstice.
It is the first time in more than 10 years that people will be able to see the sun rise over the historic monument without a police exclusion zone.
The so-called Battle of the Beanfield in 1985 led to a significant police presence during the solstice.
This year the police will be asking people not to play music or light fires for the pagan celebration on June 20.
(StoneForm) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I just came to this page from ABC news. Who are them? I was at Stonhenge last month, it was freezing and snowing. I didn't know England was that cold. I must say it was disappointing in that you couldn't get anywhere near the Stones! I have seen a lot of photos with people walking around the stones. Apparently you have to go on a special sunrise or sunset tour to do this. There was also Stonehenge's plans for the future. It didn't look then intended to let people near them anytime soon. This was a real disappointment having traveled 3,000 miles to see them.
Cher Classick
Ohio
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- (From) Cher Classick (Email) jettrink@one.net
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:22:08 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ ] george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: yellow jackets
------- Forwarded message follows ------- Dear George I have no problem with yellow peace jackets. Those worn by Legal Observers this Mayday and those worn by Greenpeace stewards at Glastonbury do not seem to cause antagonism. Much more important is the atitude of the wearer, any sign of officiousness will result in a negative reaction. The nature of the people who attend these events in inherently anti authoritarian. Unless stewards are clearly identified, a badge being insufficient, solstice celebrants will not know who to approach for help or advice and the forces of law and order will just treat the stewards as ordinary punters. At the mayday event the Legal Observers were able to succesfully prevent the police attacking people at random simply by their prescence.
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
What are we to expect at Stonehenge for the summer solstice? Wiltshire police are expecting up to 10,000 people, there is parking for 3,000 cars at Airman's Cross.
There are, of course, several sound systems preparing themselves as well as other musicians and bands all of which may find that they choose to set up a little way from the stones.
Over-policing has caused problems at every large gathering for the last few years and the challenge for us will be not degenerating into a riot crowd.
No positive effect of policing has ever been reported at Stonehenge.
Ignoring their imposition with dignity is our option one.
Druids are turning into Stuids to show us how central they are to management of the site, but will hardly be noticed amongst the numbers of people expected and are way out of their depth.
Given the debateable restrictions that they have dedicated themselves to imposing on us mere mortals who are returning after fifteen years exile to a site where our central celebrations have taken place for at least 10,000 years, they will find themselves considering police back-up when their 'magical authority' is not universally respected.
At least the druids would have Stonehenge as a living temple where some kind of rituals are performed rather than it be a dead museum fit only for grave-robbers and archaeologists.
But are their rituals relevant to anyone but those directly involved? Pliny's comment sheds some light about what should really be expected from a historical perspective: "Magic was practiced in Gaul and had penetrated even to so remote a spot as Britain, where it was invested with such august ceremonies that one might almost suppose that it was from this far off isle that the cult had spread to the Persians".
Celebrants would be best advised to honour the full moon on the 16th under the present climate, despite the much lauded cause for celebration.
Who knows what beautiful possibilities for the human race and the planet could be generated by simply gathering and communicating in freedom? Anyway the access times are too short and if the party is to be extended it will not be likely to be after the solstice but before, unless you count that Glastonbury thing.
Lots of love and hope for the present and the future, Jesterdream.
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:06:09 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: party at Ringwood
There's a kindly-far-away-from-the-Stones Solstice Full Moon Party & Gathering tomorrow Friday 16th June at 3 Legged Cross near Ringwood Site phone: 07931-131233 -- George Firsoff
La Chanson Nationale: --------------------- Allons enfants de la matrie Le jour d'amour est arrive
-----Original Message-----
From: michael james [ mailto:mick@mjames73.fsnet.co.uk ]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:29 PM
To: stonehenge2000@woodpecker.demon.co.uk
Subject: Henge
For the first time in many years I am not going to Stonehenge. E/H and the police are untrustwothey and incompetant The did not give the pittifull access that we have this year. they were forced to offer something as they have never offered any fair and just access to anyone, ever! They do not want this access to succed and behind the backs of the public are working towards using problems at this years access to stop next years. PS over the last ten or so years E/H have denied the public access overnight as they considered it to dangerious and was not permisable under health and safty regs. PPS the majority of people spoken to require Stone henge to be open all day with free access unresticted to all parts. While E/H keep the access's to so few hours and invite so many people of different lifestyes,They can be assured that their is not enough time or space for every one and that this will cause aguments which they can and will tke advantage of. As I feel so depresed about access offered I decided to keep me and my pessimistec vibes away and go to Avebury. I DO hope things go well at the henge but feel untill GENUINE equitable access is acheved we all have a long way to go. I have discribed what E/H is doing to the public,as Unstangling our access SLOWLY. I would suggest that they get their hands off our necks altogether if they realy are being honist about their plans.
(StoneForm) Just a note to I hope to be at the stones for the solstice. It is a shame that we cannot stay around for the sunset as well, as the entire day is special. But I hope it goes well, because if it does it will be one in the eye for the people that have stopped us coming here for so long. (From) Keith Thorne (Email) keith@kmsplc.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:23 EDT
From: viziondanz@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FW: Henge - Mark Woodpecker
I am sad to read your last posting to this group. " if we do not create our future, our past will create it for us"
we are moving into a new era- after a thousand years of war the human race is reaching beyond our scars, our pain, our cynisism for the possibility that we can live together on this planet in a way that works for all of us.
The "solstice experiment" is a metaphor for that aspiration, and an excersise in bringing that possibility into threedimensional reality. No matter what has come before, our future is created by the possibility that we embrace in the present moment.
I encourage you to embrace the optimum possibility for the Stonehenge event, in so doing you will increase the likelyhood of it being successful, adding one more grain of sand to the scales that hold the balance for our global future - remember at a certain point, one grain of sand can tip the scales one way or the other, your input right now may be that grain of sand.
I hope to see you at the event :) Brian
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:38:19 EDT
From: viziondanz@AOL.COM
Subject: e mail I received
Date: 15/06/00 15:07:10 Eastern Daylight Time
From: ash_whiting@lineone.net (ash)
Hi, ya buncha mad Warpedelical-evangelical righteous space crusade(idea)(re)alizers,
I hope this amazing, HEROIC effort goes well for you guys. I for one will be there, but will leave if there is a decision to not let anyone near. Much like I have, often with disgust for my peers, in previous years. I also hope that the honourable and worthy reasons for people being allowed into the Stonehenge area around the solstice are not ruined by the handful of tossers that also seem to gravitate towards any event which carries with it the slight chance of confrontation with authority...
After all, it is our right as human beings to be allowed to appreciate Stonehenge for it's practical use. However, there are definitely some aspects of the protection of the stones that I agree with. It has survived for countless aeons without protection. I personally feel this was perhaps out of respect for it's alchemical use, however, some elements have sought to use Stonehenge as a scapegoat for their own personal 'free party in a field politic', causing mayhem, and perhaps, worst of all, damage to one of our countries true wonders. There always needs to be a certain amount of control, and intelligent respect for the monument, and I sometimes feel that English Heritage have gotten a bad rap for just attempting to protect the place. That is if you forget for a minute the cynical decision to charge for people to get 10 feet closer than they would be if they were not, like me, just looking at the stones through the fence. Looking through the fence has always been sufficient for me. Just as long as they are THERE, that is all that really matters...An archetype for all us Britons...its just , well, always THERE. That is part of its attraction and power. . .
I for one, love to party, and go for it like a loony, but I will be fucking pissed off if the stones are disrespected, or damaged in any way by a selfish minority, who clamber all over them, chip bits off and write their names on them, just because they are not normally allowed near them and it is a free party, and they just wanna get fucked up...blah blah. The stones are part of our mythology, part of our storytelling past and I would like my kids to appreciate the wonder, myth and history surrounding the entire area...Like I did when oi were a lad.., without being reminded that 'bob woz ere'...And thus bringing the stones into a rather urbanistic 20th century historical context.
The millenium solstice....mmm...that IS a historic event...Perhaps not in the Pagan calendar, but in our 20th Century Post Modernist, (whatever-ist, eX, Why? Zero, and Eh? generational mythological) calender it could carry a certain significance, especially if it portrays in some way a coming together of mainstream (authoritative) culture and Alternative approaches. A kind of peace-bringing ceremony of mutual forgiveness....A VE day for the Beanfielders!! After all, EVERYONE has at some point become intrigued by these strange and powerful sculptures. they could bring us all together..I like to think they carry that power...Maybe I'm just naive! .All I hope is that we have matured and are able to accept this responsibility to our heritage
Its a ..Pilgramage....And I can't exactly explain why. Perhaps it has, for me, something to do with pushbiking with some good mates, all the way from Salisbury on a BMX that was 4 sizes too small for me...
;(I may as well have walked! AND all my mates had swanky 'Raleigh Chopper' bikes. We were also all in our early twenties, I might add! Hmm...good drugs?...maybe... ;)
....just because we felt drawn..It is a stop off point, I think, for many of us. Somewhere to collect oneself, and soak in the REAL history of Britain, a history contained in our intuition, rather than in what we have been taught...Somehow one always ends up there if one is in that part of the world......(I was bloody knackered by the time I'd got back to Salisbury, by the way... There are loads of hills and its about an 18 mile round trip. Then I bunked the train all the way back to Brighton....ah those were the days!!)
Well that is my 2 pennethsworth!! I always thought this sort of thing was what e-mail is so amazing for...just ranting...offering support to HEROIC PEOPLE like yourselves.
I just hope the sun shines, at the right times, that we are all in the right place.....I hope that some bugger hasn't moved the stones in the middle of the night so that the sun shines in the wrong place and we all miss it coz we were not looking somewhere else....er, If you catch my drift.....getting a little distanced here man!.
Bye Asha
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:37:58 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Spiral tribe
Dear jaz jaz,
Very happy and relieved to hear you say these respectful things about Stonehenge, however I am bound to seek the clarification, is this the general Spiral Tribe view, or just your personal opinion?
You see the mailing with the picture of the Stones and obscene challenge written upon it raised temperatures, it seemed it was intended to be intimidating, I can still take it to mean that the challenge is real, that parties with sound systems are "going for it" maybe within the Woodhenge/Stonehenge landscape in which our own group will be operating.
Perhaps sound systems are going for it anyway, that's what people are telling us, but is it that the Spiral Tribe, or spiral tribes, if that's more the flavour of it, are doing so themselves, or are they adopting generally the respectful discipline towards Stonehenge that you describe?
Seeing it another way, how far away from Stonehenge are they promising to try and be, three four miles at least would help us to relax a bit, although I don't suppose Supt. Andy Hollingshead, Divisional Commander of Wiltshire Constabulary, would be less vigilant, as he has to cover the whole of South Wiltshire. And if the police temperature rises because their men see "action" nearby we'd worry that it could still spill over into the Stonehenge situation.
Or, I might apologise for putting this cyincal view forward, but are the propagandists who produced this material not personally risking their sound systems, but encouraging others to do so? That the picture of the Stones is just rhetoric, just advertising for the cause? This might seem a sad piece of political manipulation in that case? So I think there are a few questions that people would still want to ask about this particular mailing.
Be very grateful if you could give us your opinions and keep this dialogue going, and get others to post messages.
Messages can be posted to the stonehengepeace@egroups.com newsgroup (which is free and open) and the stonehengeroundtable@egroups.com (which is closed and seen only by the people who negotiated the Solstice, but thus important)
Be happy to include your email address in any mailing about our next meeting. Unless we need to have an emergency meeting to talk about what happens this Summer Solstice (as we did last year) the TRC may not be meeting until September.
If things do go well this summer, to try and get some landowners, and some rave organisers, both to come and start talking across the table, would be a good and challenging vision!
I think the TRC would recognise that the need to have a "party" if it was with permission and by negotiation with the landowner was a fully legitimate need that would help everyone enjoy the Summer Solstice in the future. I appreciate that Salisbury District Council could prove difficult on the beauroctatic front (for historical reasons). West or North of there could be better. There's a man who accomodates the Big Green Gathering every year (and so far it hasn't needed a Council license). The Army are unfortunately rather negative, they have over 90,000 acres, we did have a historic first meeting with them this year but there's no invitation to have another meeting with them. There's another landowner closer to Stonehenge who I hear is willing to have an open-ended conversation with organisers.
Personally I'd prefer mellow psychedelic to hard techno and dancing all night is not something you would see me doing. Thus you might see me visit the party for an hour or two. I would not want to be camping near where that was happening but somewhere quieter. Thus we need to open up, by negotiation, lots of different places for different people. There is a lot of fear to overcome, because of memories or tales of the free festival in the past.
Love,
George
Subject: johnform
Date: 20 June 2000 09:10
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.geocities.com/tribalvoices/john.htm
(comments) Hi all
While checking out details of this year's Henge arrangements, I chanced upon this page. It was with great sadness that I learnt of John's journey onwards. I have been out of the loop for some many years and thus had not learnt of this news. (Where are the news singers when you need them !!)
I knew John throughout the period 73-84, meeting him at countless fayres, festivals and rallys. Always a proactive person, he freely gave of his energies in support of a better more caring, sharing world.
I am sure countless other people feel as I do that his parting is a loss but we can keep his spirit alive by continuing to support his ideals.
Peace, light and love
Raefn --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (subject) johnform
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
(StoneForm) ---------------------------------------------------- Do any of you guys actually live here, near Stonehenge? I live about two miles away. My father was the last man who could actually split the sarcens using traditional methods. He died in 1973 but, his tools are in a local museum and there is a book about the three families who for hundreds of years were the only ones who knew how to work the stones. My father's arms were full of sarcen and steel splinters. I helped him carry out this task in 1970 when the Great Stone Race took place. We were filmed for ABC in USA. It was his last great occasion. I never learned the actual technique but, I know how it is done. Of the three families, I think I am the only male descendant alive who has split/helped split the sarcen. If you are interested I have the information about the families. These people made their living from the stones over many years. I spent most of my life listening to stories about those hard days. I saw the damage it did to my father.
Don't be too sentimental or naive about these stones. they represent struggle and pain. Both from their origin and from the work that went on around and about them for centuries.
During the first world war the stones were used as scalpings for the roads around Wiltshire. I believe that this was also the case in the second war.
I have climbed over the stones, danced on the stones and slept on them. I remember the tomes when anyone at anytime could go to them. Things are different now.
The stones have withstood the cruelties of time and will continue to do so. I am not convinced that it is right to deny people free access to the stones but, I have also seen the stupid and pointless damage that people have inflicted on them.
regards
Robb
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:51:57 +0100
From: "Andy Burnham" [ ] aburnham@easynet.co.uk ]
Subject: FW: [ stones ] SAVE OUR SARSENS, e-mail appeal
I hope this isn't considered irrelevant, please forgive the intrusion for this urgent request for help from my friend Terence Meaden. Thanks, Andy http://www.megalithic.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Terence Meaden [ mailto:terence.meaden@stonehenge-avebury.net ]
Sent: 12 June 2000 10:32
To: stones mailing list
Subject: [ stones ] SAVE OUR SARSENS, e-mail appeal
SAVE OUR SARSENS
Stones at risk: Sarsens at Kingston Deverell, West Wiltshire, originating from a lost Neolithic long barrow on Court Hill nearby.
Megalith Enthusiasts! e-mails wanted. For address see last line below:
BACKGROUND.
On Thursday 8 June 2000 the villagers called a meeting (chaired by Greg Doyle) to discuss the issues raised by the desire of Mr Chris Ralph, who said he owned the stones because they are on land he purchased a few years ago, to give [ actually he said 'loan' ] the best of them to Bratton Parish Council who have created a committee to erect a monument near the Bratton White Horse. The intention is to memorialise the battle of Ethandune in 878 when King Alfred's troops beat the Danes in a pivotal battle which changed the course of history and meant that Britain became 'an Anglo-Saxon nation instead of a Danish one'.
Bratton's committee is led by Major Robin Wilson, a keen historian who claims that this is a timely way to honour the Saxon king and the birth of the English nation, giving rise in due course to the English language 'of which we are all so proud'.
The reason for wanting a sarsen from Kingston Deverell is that Alfred, in forming his army as he crossed Somerset into West Wiltshire, paused to gather his troops on Court Hill above the village before marching 15 miles eastwards to where the Danes were encamped on the chalk hills above Bratton and Edington. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles tell us that the army assembled at a gathering point marked by stones now called Egbert's Stones on what appears to be Court Hill or King's Court Hill -- and it is suggested that the sarsens from the damaged long barrow were the stones mentioned in the chronicle.
These megaliths, by now reduced to three big ones (and two small ones), descended to the village in the 19th century, and became 'stepping stones' near the river (Wylye) until removed to the vicarage garden for greater respect and security. They are recorded in the Wiltshire Archaeological Magazine for 1878 as two standing stones with the third set as a capstone. Later, for safety reasons the top stone was put on the ground alongside. A local guidebook dated 1924 said the three megaliths were still there, but in the 1940s the third stone went missing. Locals reported it as being used for a doorstep in an American army camp, after which the rumour is that it disappeared beneath a layer of concrete covering unwanted munitions.
The case for creating the Bratton Memorial Monument using one of the Kingston Deverell sarsens was presented to English Heritage who raised no objections and passed the architect's plans. This included fitting two bolts to the back of the sarsen out of concern for public safety. If the Planning Committee of the West Wiltshire District Council pass this shameless scheme next Thursday (15 June, 6.30 p.m. Laverton Hall, Bratton Road, Westbury, Wilts), the plan goes through. This explains the call by village councillor Greg Doyle to have the meeting last Thursday and why Terence Meaden for the Megalithic Society attended. Until then Major Wilson and Mr Ralph had no idea about the number of megalith enthusiasts there are in Britain and the love that these villagers have for their stones. Because archaeologists representing English Heritage had authorised the plan, the Memorial Committee thought that all would be well.
Of course, the idea of a memorial is sound enough and the use of a sarsen has its virtues, but there are farmyards in North Wiltshire where sarsens lie piled in heaps, and from one of these a suitable stone can surely be extracted. On the other hand, sarsens in West Wiltshire are rare and precious; possibly every one in this part of Wiltshire formed part of a Neolithic monument.
Terence will attend the next meeting along with many villagers.
Letters by e-mail or by post should reach the Chief Planning Officer (Mr M. Mallinson) with at least 48 hours to spare if they are to be read out ; but even if you do not reach this deadline send them anyway of course. In practice, it is safest to send such communications, including e-mails, to arrive by first post (say 9 a.m.) on Tuesday 13th. Postal address is Mr M. Mallinson, Chief Planning Officer, Bradley Road, Trowbridge, BA14 0RD. Anyone wishing to speak at the Thursday meeting must be there by 6.30 p.m. to register his wish to do so.
The e-mail address is mmallinson@westwiltshire.gov.uk
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:18:00 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Spiral tribe
[ This is a letter dated 15th June to The Spiral Tribe, whose mailing featured a picture of the Stones with their favourite slogan "Make some f***in' noise" implying a rave invasion at Stonehenge this Solstice. The letter has been sent to the return address given on the mailing and we await a response. The Stonehenge Peace Process genuinely wants to speak to them. This message is also going to email addresses given out in a previous publication. Apart from their reputation for pugnacious attitudes about their music and allegedly once playing rave non-stop for 14 days, they have similar interests to many of us, love, spirituality, global communication. So this is a conversation waiting to happen ]
Dear Spirals,
Salisbury District Council held a meeting in November 1997 attended by everybody including police landowners councillors and parish councillor Tim Abbott (who is a festival goer and Greatful Dead fan) Archdruid Rollo Maughfling & myself (for The Stonehenge Peace Process). This was to show publically that everyone was willing to move towards "normality" at Stonehenge, however that was defined.
In June 1998 we started a series of meetings of the Truth & Reconciliation Commission for Stonehenge. There have been 14 meetings since then. One (TRC9) held last July to discuss what happened last Solstice was particularly revealing, showing the police and heritage managers on the ground facing criticism but at the same time continuing to work for a peaceful solution. English Heritage have also invited people for diuscussions (The Round Table meetings).
see our website at http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/trc9.htm
As part of that process of talking and learning, we are happy to have come to the occasion when Stonehenge is open to everybody overnight and into the early morning. This is a great step forward, if it works we expect to make more progress in later years. If it doesn't work, if there's trouble or heavy police deployment portrayed in the media, the Stones could be closed and everybody banned for another 15 yearss. Part of the agreement for this year's access is No Amplified Music. Personally if this barrier is ever overcome, I would think (1) it does not need to be close to Stonehenge (2) it needs to be negotiated with the landownder. You may disagree, however you should be aware, that while most of you have been out of the country, there has been an evolution of attitudes, this is not the same place as it was in 1994. If you want to have a conversation with a local landowner it can be arranged, however I mean a serious conversation, nobody would thank me if what happened was some kick-ass confrontation laced with obscenities as this would not be a suitable way, perhaps to talk to anybody, certainly people from whom you wished to receive trust, and some favours and assistance.
see our website at http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/ss2000.htm
Now we are aware of the anger of some of the dance generation and their intention to come and try and set up sound systems this Solstice. We have had speakers coming to our recent meetings and saying this. The main difficulty I perceive has been that English Heritage cannot provide you with a site and making this demand at these forums is misguided. It is individual landownders you need to talk to. Anybody setting up a sound system near Stonehenge is likely to have it confiscated by the police. Nor will people at the stones, some of us who have worked hard with this process, going to want to see confrontations ruining the day for everyone. King Arthur (who's been involved in many an active land struggle) has a forthright message about this.
see Arthur's and other links on our linkspage http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/shlinks.htm
What I'm pointing out is that we work in this "new" way, by talking to people, and we hope our Peace Movement can enter into dialogue with you. You have nothing to lose by at least deputing someone to act as liaison with us and other people involved here. I invite you to get in touch.
-- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:57:23 +0100
From: "Hollingshead, Andrew" [ Andrew.Hollingshead@wiltshire.police.uk ]
Subject: RE: raves
George,
Thank you for the below.
The policy of the Wiltshire Constabulary in respect of raves not authorised by an Entertainment Licence is to use the powers available under Sections 63 -65 of the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act 1994 to stop it either from occurring or from continuing.
The sensitivities surrounding the Summer Solstice at Stonehenge are such that a rave, or any form of illegal party or gathering, would cause serious public and political concern. This would apply not just to the Stonehenge area but outside Wiltshire and would be of concern to government and the media. Apart from having a duty to take action against a rave the police would also be held to account if we took anything less than a firm stand. Furthermore, the consequences of a rave occurring within the Salisbury Plain area would have potentially disastrous implications for the future celebrations of the Solstice at Stonehenge and the whole Stonehenge peace process.
While I appreciate people's desires to celebrate in the open air the fact remains that the law as it now stands does not allow for this type of event, and Stonehenge at this time of the year is the worst possible site for a venue. Should an attempt be made to establish a rave then my response would be swift and firm, and I would exercise the full powers of the criminal law available to me.
I trust this sets out clearly my position on respect of raves. It would be unfortunate if all the good work that has been done by many people with many different and conflicting agendas who have been able to find a common goal was to be jeopardised by a reckless attempt to hold an event that was bound to attract a large police response.
Andrew Hollingshead Divisional Commander Salisbury
-----Original Message-----
From: George Firsoff [ mailto:george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Sent: 17 June 2000 11:43
To: andrew.hollingshead@wiltshire.police.uk
Subject: raves
Can you write a short statement about your policy on raves that can be broadcast on the internet forums and to the people we are trying to talk to, the Spiral Tribe(s) and other rave organisers who may be going for it?
Diplomatic but clear and firm. Post it to stonehengepeace@egroups.com and stonehengeroundtable@egroups.com and I can forward it to others. -- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
]
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT)
]
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] (StoneForm)
] --------------------------------------------------------------
] Cool Site. Will be in England for this year's Summer
] Solstice. Please try to send me any useful info about
] Stonehenge now. I'm leaving the United States to visit
] June 15. Thank you! Craig Sottolano
] -------------------------------------------------------------
] (From) Craig Sottolano
] (Email) ccsotto@juno.com
From: [ kate.farmer@orf.at ]
To: [ stonehenge@stones.com ]
Subject: Interview on Austrian Radio
Date: 14 June 2000 03:07
FM4 is the English language radio service of the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation, and we are planning a special feature on the re-opening of Stonehenge to the public for this year's summer solstice.
I am therefore writing in the hope that you may be willing to give us a short telephone interview describing your campaign and your reaction to this development.
The interview would take about 5 minutes, and would ideally be recorded some time tomorrow morning (Thursday).
I do hope you will be able to help us in this and I look forward to hearing from you.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Yours sincerely,
KATE FARMER FM4 Austrian Broadcasting Corporation ORF Funkhaus A-1041 Vienna Tel: +43 1 50101 18982 Kate.Farmer@orf.at [ Kate.Farmer@orf.at ]
www.answer2stonehenge.com
A new theory revealed later this week -- Daniel M Bamping
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Subject: PRESS RELEASE police plan for 2000 @ Stonehenge Solstice - 100k possible
Date: 14 June 2000 06:56
PRESS RELEASE......... PRESS RELEASE.........PRESS RELEASE..................
PRESS CONFERENCE @ THE GEORGE HOTEL - AMESBURY 1PM @)20TH JUNE -- CONTACTS @ the end of this press release.. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNPRECEDENTED COLLABORATION BETWEEN VARIOUS FACTIONS IN THE STONHENGE SAGA RESULTS IN :
THE SUMMER SOLSTICE EXPERIMENT
http://www.thewarpexperience.org/stonehenge
PRESS RELEASE from The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) for Stonehenge and related issues. Police prepare for 20,000 to gather at Summer Solstice - "100,0000 possible" say members of the TRC,
"This is a historic event, it marks a turning point for relations between the authorities and the counter culture, there is a genuine desire from all sides, for healing the societal rift that has occurred over the Stonehenge issue"
"People from all walks of life are coming from to gather and witness the Solstice event at Stonehenge and as they have for thousands of years -- this event is for everyone to celebrate in their own way whether it be with ritual or silence or in some yet to be seen creative expression. Acoustic music, drumming, fire jugglers, theater or whatever, even the Krishnas will be there serving free breakfast for everyone. There is also a possibility that THE WORLD PEACE FLAME will be present. http://members.aol.com/lfst/wpf2_2.htm
What is the TRC ?
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) was born on 1st June 1998 to
address and heal the issues arising out of the conflict surrounding access to
Stonehenge during the '80's and 90's and the societal issues that were
brought into relief by this situation. The TRC, one of many groups active in
this situation, acts as an umbrella and focal point for many of these groups.
More details on the TRC can be found on the web at...
http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/trc.htm
After years of conflict and negotiation between different factions of the alternative and main stream culture, the authorities (police) and English Heritage, a way forward has been found to open up the Stonehenge circle for a limited period of time.
FULL UNLIMITED ACCESS FOR EVERYONE during the Summer Solstice period from11:30PM on Tuesday, June 20th to 7:30AM on Wednesday, June 21st. will be allowed. In the past there has been difficulty in managing a limited access during the Solstice period because those individuals and groups not included in those arrangements felt the need to take the law into their own hands to gain the access that they felt entitled to. http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/trc9.htm
A NEW BEGINNING FOR STONEHENGE 2000
This year English Heritage has taken the courageous step of allowing unlimited access to all under certain conditions, ones that will make the event both manageable and acceptable to all parties on all sides of the dispute. The major players in the Stonehenge peace process have accepted these conditions as the way forward to greater and freer access in years to come. These groups have taken on the responsibility for stewarding this event and communicating with the many factions the importance of adhering to the agreement. Individuals are requested to come to the event only if they fully accept the agreement that has been reached. The conditions agreed to can be found @ http://www.thewarpexperience.org/stonehenge
The TRC believes that English Heritage and the police desire to put the conflict of the 80's and 90's to rest and that they are acting in good faith in this matter.
English Heritage are working with the police and the TRC and other groups to alleviate fears of local residents, land owners and the community at large who were impacted by and remember the events of the '80's, most notably "the battle of the beanfield ... http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/h850601.htm http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/history.htm
Many of the groups are arranging for peace stewards to facilitate safe passage for the event. An example of this can be found on the web at http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/steward.htm Some members of the TRC feel it necessary to invite UN observers to report with neutrality on the conduct of the event. A video team will also be documenting the event.
The TRC believes that the step forward in creating partnership between the different factions and the authorities is a metaphor for the healing of our society and is a powerful example to the world in how a society can heal itself. The TRC will continue to address the greater issue of the public's inalienable right to full access to the circle at all times, recognising that it has been a gathering place for spiritual groups of may genres for thousands of years.
CONTACTS :
Press officer for the TRC Brian viziondanz - 0208 387 8945 or 07944099427 www.thewarpexperience.org/stonehenge
English Heritage - Cleuse Everade - 0198625368 http://212.58.60.17/news-events/news/ExpandedResult.asp?Id=139 http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/dminterface/dmehindex.asp?mkey=153
TRC - Thomas Daffern - 01426212912
PADRAS & TRC - George Firstoff - 01179542273 - or 09744061370 http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/padras.htm
PRESS CONFERENCE @ THE GEORGE HOTEL - AMESBURY 1PM @)20TH JUNE
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
(StoneForm) high folks hows the energy flowing we can feel it aii ready well got eny better info sutch as meeting places were such as veacles will be safe to park over the event and address for t.a.t. school bus posse [ ] fiona ] [ ] allex rosenburg ] and [ ] t.i.t. ] bob dod and the rest with all mi love and hope see you there spread '@the stones (From) spreadspreadley (Email) none (Website) spreadspreadley@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:53:55 -0000
From: "gerry freakout" [ freakout@iac.net ]
Subject: (unknown)
greetings to you from USA Cincinnati Ohio it is wonderful to hear stonehenge will be "open". I only wish I could make it for the solstice but altho I have an uncle living in Salisbury I cant get there at this time. Keep fingers crossed I will make it for fall. I have had the luck to see the monument but I could not get inside the circle at that time. It was not at any special time- and was a cold windy day but one I shall never forget. The enegry was something I felt long before I ever got out of the car! I shall not rest until I return and stand inside the circle. Altho I am in US (mother was born in London) let me know if there is anything I can do to help out with efforts to keep the stones "open". Also let me know please if there are any plans to transmit any of the solstice events over the internet. I just cant stand that I am going to miss out on this. Sorry if this isnt on topic but I saw the group and since I am interested in Stonehenge in all ways.. I sent this along to introduce myself.
(StoneForm) Well,that was brilliant,wasn't it.Same time,same place,next year then chaps? (From) Rev.Dr.Snakes (Email) snakes23@freeuk.com
From: [ richard@tourbus.co.uk ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: pics of Solstice
Date: 22 June 2000 03:33
Hi George
I have put up some pics of Wednesday morning at www.tourbus.co.uk
WESTERN DAILY PRESS 22-6-00 IT'S A STONEHENGE LOVE-IN
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:38:36 -0000
From: stonehenge@ait.tcp.co.uk
Subject: media
WESTERN DAILY PRESS 22-6-00
IT'S A STONEHENGE LOVE-IN
By David Humphrey
THE summer of love made a comeback on rain-lashed Salisbury Plain yesterday as 6,000 people celebrated the solstice at Stonehenge.
Exotic substances wafted on the breeze, bearded gurus wandered among smiling policemen and drums echoed around the trilithons.
If it had not been for the bleak surroundings, the baffled camera crew from Nippon TV could have been forgiven for thinking they had gone back in time to San Francisco, circa 1967.
Wiltshire Police mounted a charm offensive that had even hardened travellers smiling in admiration. Fifteen years of animosity were forgotten as constables exchanged polite gossip with the likes of King Arthur Pendragon.
Every element of society was there - backpacking students, well-dressed families, the spaced-out and the downright weird.
And the crowd showed they appreciated English Heritage's act of trust by throwing open the monument for the first summer solstice since 1984.
When one or two rowdies climbed on top of the stones, they came under a barrage of abuse from the rest of the crowd
English Heritage said the success of this year's event paved the way for greater access in the future.
A spokeswoman said: "We are very happy that a lot of people came along and it was a happy and peaceful atmosphere. The fact that it's gone so well means that we will be looking at more arrangements in the future."
Wiltshire police said they did not have to make a single arrest.
One member of the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids, who would only give his name as Shaun, travelled from Southampton.
He said: "Opening Stonehenge to everyone is the best solution. If people get to know the stones they will learn to respect them."
Veronica Hammond, from Cheltenham, the Arch Druid of the Cotswold Order of Druids, said: "I think opening it up is a very good decision. I was crowned on Saturday and it's good to be here."
Computer programmer Emile Joubert from Salisbury said: "The people I was most surprised about to see mingling in so well were the police. They made a very useful contribution to the social atmosphere."
It was all so different to last year when an organised visit for 150 people, including religious groups, was disrupted after gatecrashers pushed down fences and scaled the stones.
Stonehenge was originally closed to the general public during the summer solstice in 1984 and a four-mile exclusion order was put in place following a series of disorder problems.
Solstice coverage at http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~ait/news00.html
Hi George - I'll bet you didn't expect to hear from me so soon. The reason is that Alan, Tinsel and I are no longer walking with the horse to Glastonbury, because Ro has changed her mind about going there. They can't walk with the buggy because there are no paths going the right way where they are. They are not sure what they're doing but we agreed that we would try to contact each other via you. This is being written after midnight in Oxford but I'll see if there's a reply tomorrow and if not phone you.
Having met you, I had a closer look at your web site and discovered that you know a friend of mine, Maggie Nichols. I was also interested to read what you said about "The Good Terrorist" - I read it many years ago and wrote to Dorris Lessing, who is one of my favorite authors, saying it wasn't very accurate about squatting - I was a squatter for 12 years and was involved in running squatting groups and campaign squats. We have occasionally corresponded since then.
Hope you're chilling out successfully Donnard
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greetings sadly i could not escape london to see sunrise at stonehenge can u tell me where i can read / see people's 1st hand reports from june 21st 2000 ? I guess a lot of you are asleep today ! Luciana
- Cybertribe-Info -
STONEHENGE - FESTIVAL - FREE THE STONES
Erstmals seit rund fünfzehn Jahren konnte das legendäre Stonehenge-Festival weitgehend ohne staatliche Einschränkungen und in Folge auch auch ohne militante Auseinandersetzungen gefeiert werden.
Mehrere Tausend Menschen begannen dabei gemeinsam ein Sonnenwendritual (allerdings bei regnerischen Wetter ...) und feierten bis zum nächsten Tag.
Das Festival symbolisiert die Verbindung einer auf Selbstbestimmung basierenden Gegenkultur mit Elementen alter mystischer Traditionen.
Aktuelle Infos zum Festival und zur Stonehenge-Campaign unter: http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
Ein beindruckender Bericht zur Geschichte des Festivals ("Das Stonehenge-Festival und der letzte Hippie") von Penny Rimbaud (ex-Crass): http://www.sterneck.net/cybertribe/rimbaud
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incl.: - Cybertribe-Archiv - Archiv Musik und Veränderung
- Alice - The Drug- and Culture-Project - Alive - Assoziation Linker Verlage - KomistA - Kultur und Konsequenz - Moksha - For A Psychoactive Culture - Soluna - Party und Bewußtsein - Sonics - Cybertribe-Netzwerk
- Freiheit für Mumia Abu-Jamal
SPP: History of the Troubles SOLSTICE 2000 NEWSFLASH HIPPIES ACT RESPONSIBLY, POLICE MAKE NO ARRESTS, NO DAMAGE IS CAUSED AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY An official estimate of 6,000 to 8,000 people attended the Open Public Access at Stonehenge at the Summer Solstice from about 11PM Tuesday 20th to about 8AM Wednesday 21st June. This was the first Solstice access open to all the public for 16 years and the damp cold weather and the absence of any sight of the sun at the time of the dawn did little to dampen the enthusiasm from the very good-natured crowd. Indeed there was an amazing energy of good will in and around the stones as an alternative community denied a gathering for many years met each other again. Mr & Mrs Wiltshire were also there and I saw many happy policeman. English Heritage provided some lighting which was of a tasteful blue green colour and this was turned off before dawn. Others saw the light and I have heard of spontaneous and deep spiritual experiences taking place. The Stonehenge Peace Process had an information point at the entry to the stones giving out our own leaflets and exchanging glass bottles for plastic ones. There were up to 40 of our Peace Stewards on duty over the site who mostly observed that the site was peaceful. Nevertheless they also managed some quiet and responsive interventions. We organised a procession from Woodhenge, this was smaller than expected, consisting of about 30 people. After a pleasant walk we arrived at 11:30PM to find the stones already open. As we entered the field the stones are in we went through an arch of staves held by druids and pagans all wishing us a happy solstice. Those of us who had sticks then joined the arch which advanced and reformed, so we repeated the greeting ritual to each other several times as well as welcoming the public, so this made us all very jolly. Later the samba rhythm and fire juggling of the Kings Drummers provided an alternative focus for the celebrants and they also played within the stones close to the invisible dawn and there was impromptu acoustic music . The sight of the sun close to 7AM aroused a cheer. By that time an amazing jam session had started with drums and other instruments including a young woman on bagpipes, and these musicians then led a procession out of the stones at the close of the access period. Many left with this procession and with encouragement by our Peace Stewards and other responsible members of the public the exodus continued until at 8PM there were 20 or 30 remaining. When the police suggested they leave they immediately did. English Heritage were able to open to tourists soon after 9AM as had been planned. The Stonehenge community had shown itself able to keep to the agreement on time limits. The final accolade is that, apparently, neither The Sun nor The Mirror found anything about the event worth printing. Rollo Maughfling went into the stones and welcomed the invisible sun for five minutes as he had arranged to do, and reported himself happy with how this had gone. Earlier a group of druids had held the centre briefly and chanted the druid vow. Early on Arthur Pendragon held a circle on the grass. Later there was another ritual in front of the Hele stone. In general it was too crowded and chaotic for organised ritual within the stones to make much headway. Space for this requires many more alternative centres of attraction to be set up. Without this it is suggested that on this occasion some people held the centre of the stones inhibiting throughput. These are matters requiring further thought. There were some breaches of the attendance rules. Those who attended may not have known they were breaking the rules, although our website took 600 hits in the weeks leading up to the Solstice, and there was a large notice in the carpark, I think our investigation may show that more official leaflets could have been given out, and once again information could be improved. Some glass bottles got into the stones area and our stewards noted some of these and removed them to black bags as soon as drinkers had finished drinking from them. At least one was found broken and was also carefully removed. In general with volunteers going round with black bags throughout the access period, there are favourable reports that very little rubbish remained at the end. English Heritage seemed to have found only one glass bottle. This was stuffed down a rabbit hole. There are no reports of the rabbit having emerged yet. The banning of dogs diminished their numbers greatly but if this is to be continued in the future I would think both controls against admission of dogs and the welfare of any dogs retained, both need re-examining. Lack of facilities for retaining them near the entrances meant owners secured them to gates and fences with no-one providing any welfare attention. A problem involving at least one unhappy dog and an unhappy dog owner was resolved when it somehow happened that all the dogs at one entrance slipped out of their restraints and managed to escape. One fire was lit briefly near the Hele stone. An orange ball of light was seen. This appears to have been paraffin lit to ignite some sticks. Water was poured on this fire and damage in terms of burnt grass etc. is believed to be minimal. The use of some candle flares broke the rules in a strict sense but caused little safety concerns in practise. Very soon people started sitting and then standing on the recumbent stones, which is predictable particularly in the crowded circumstances that arose. Eventually some people were dancing on the stones. The evaluation of any damage, particularly to lichen on the stones, has not been completed. Ascent of the vertical monoliths was attempted, Peace Stewards and crowd members intervened to bring them down. One man got up and was seen to run briefly across the row of lintels in the North. Upon coming down he was taken in charge by English Heritage guards and reportedly removed from the site. This caused some crowd reaction and I was worried the incident might escalate. However it didn't. Later the guards were alerted again and removed a man, possibly the same man, in a second incident. After this there were no more ascents, the intervention proved to be a deterrent. There is reported to have been some camping in parts of the carpark. To everybody's relief the key rule of No Amplified Music was not breached. We hear of no attempts to set up sound systems anywhere in the area. The stern warnings posted on our website may have helped. The Stonehenge Peace Process invites party organisers to come forward to join our talks through the TRCS and to possibly join a group that can talk to landowners about future events. The TRCS plans to meet early in September for a full Solstice debriefing and discussion. The Stonehenge Peace Process would like to thank Andy Hollingshead, the police commander, and Andy Tatem, who was in charge of police on the ground, and his good natured officers who are proud to have carried out 0 searches and 0 arrests, and to thank Clews Everard of English Heritage and her team for their hard work and expenditure on this event, as well as the English Heritage Commissioners for allowing the Great Experiment to happen. Thanks to Mark Harold and Gafyn Blakeway of the National Trust, who assisted and were also very happy about the outcome. Thanks to the Peace Stewards, thanks to Enford villlage for their support, thanks to Arthur and the Kings Drummers, to druids and pagans with staves, and to everybody who came for being so great. We can look forward now I am convinced to many years of ongoing Summer Solstice access. There is more work to be done in reconciliation and peacemaking, but this great step forward makes everything else so much easier to accomplish. George
Raves in South Wiltshire What will happen if we just Go For It? Solstice Moon Party June 16th Near Ringwood, but it was blocked off Summer Solstice 2000 Our information site before the solstice Return to History menu Click on to Main Stonehenge menu You may subscribe to our newsgroup below:
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:37:24 +0100
Website update:
Anybody who was there is invited to send their stories, observations, gripes and issues about Stonehenge Solstice 2000 for a more detailed report. We are looking at a suitable date at the end of July for a meeting of the TRCS which will be a "debrief" of the Solstice for people to share their experiences of the Solstice and plans for the future.
Greenleaf magazine and the Stonehenge Peace Process has also started pages called STONE CIRCLE NEWS
http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/headman.htm THE HEADLESS MAN AT STONEHENGE: Is the skeleton of an iron age beheading one of the legendary Romano-British kings, or one of the British chiefs treacherously killed by Saxons in the Beltaine massacre centuries ago? Can there be peace netween Celts and the English even now? And can the headless man at Stonehenge be a focus to help bring this peace?
http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/tisbury.htm TISBURY STONE CIRCLE LOST STOLEN AND STRAYED: A Wiltshire village lost its stone circle in historical times. The stones were taken away. Can they be located? Can the site of the stone circle itself be located? Perhaps it can even be restored, although this seems unliklely.
http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/re-erect.htm REBUILDING STONEHENGE: Can we, should we, rebuild Stonehenge as it once was? Or leave it in its ruined state? Can at least the long uprights be put up again from where they have fallen? Can any agreement be found among the experts? Can there even be any agreement as to who is an expert? Or should in the end, the people decide by acclamation, by referendum? Would you be willing to be a body on the end of a rope pulling as hard as you could?
Opinions on these and other controversial topics can be posted to: [ a href="stonehengepeace@egroups.com" ] stonehengepeace@egroups.com
This is the site:
http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/padras.htm
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/stonecam.htm
(StoneForm) It would be great to have a live webcam so us less unfortunates who cannot visit can still see the sun rise over the Heel Stone...perhaps next year?!!!! (From) celtic princess
From: "Fraser Clark - The Parallel YOUniversity" [ fraser@parallel-youniversity.com ]
To: [ ravers of all ages and shapes ]
Subject: //WHY I'M A RAVER//
Date: 30 June 2000 23:47
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WHY I'M A RAVER: PRIDE CELEBRATION by apollo. california. june. 2000.
last week was a milestone in the history of san francisco's (gay) pride celebration and the raver community. for the first time ravers were represented in the parade - by the sfraves web site gang.
ravers of all sexual orientations - straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual - marched to acknowledge the tremendous contribution gay music and dance culture have made to our scene. naturally we didn't actually "march" - rather, we danced our asses off down market street!
sfraves was well represented - we had a beautiful float, excellent sound and music (what else would ravers have?!), and we were indisputably the youngest contingent in the parade, even including three very sweet, 6 year old candy ravers :) other dance afficionados were continuously swelling our numbers and our 'pride' as we thumped our way down the parade route, and it was an excallent vibe all around.
WHY IS THIS SO IMPORTANT TO ME? TO US, AS RAVERS? i can't think of ANY community in recent memory, even the '60s, that is as open-hearted and accepting as ours. at it's best, rave culture is free, godalmighty free at last, from that whole terrible baggage of discrimination and elitism. we've all learned to joyfully surrender our individual egos into the experience of the music and dance, and a sense of 'group mind,' as fraser calls it, is all that matters.
this is unique. this is nothing short of a miracle. and it's this vibe that has made me so passionate about our community. it's why i love my brother and sister ravers so deeply. it's the wondrous gift we have to offer the world. we MUST do all we can to nurture these priceless values and protect this near-miraculous evolutionary direction.
LOOK, MUM! RAVERS! of all the perceptions and visions, one memory stands out from this special day. as we proceeded along market street i saw this bored looking boy with his parents. as soon as he heard us and spotted our float he started jumping up and down with this great smile all over his face and shouting: "look, ravers!!!!!"
let's make sure that he and all the other people noticing and becoming intrigued by our scene get the very best from us: plur*.
* peace, love, unity and respect.
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FREEEST! looks like megatripolis could be running weekly thursdays all summer in the sweetest friendliest freeest undergroundest lil venue in london town back down to our roots with hard politics, soft trance, liquid soul and whatever YOU bring. news soon.
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From: "Holly Wolly" [ hol_fluffy23@hotmail.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Re: DiceStone-Form
Date: 07 July 2000 02:05
Dear Dice George Thanks for replying!! Was at Stonehenge for the Solstice, so amazing, who cares about the rain when it seemed to be dry in the inner circle?! The energy and vibrancy just blew me away.... will be preparing a website of photos and digital video photoage soon, will send you the URL when done!
Hol
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:57:34 EDT
From: Visiondans@aol.com
Subject: Debrief - fun - sharing of our stories - lets get together real soon
www.thewarpexperience.org/stonehenge
We did it
:)
What an amazing gathering, I felt like I was entering a fire every time I walked into the circle. The energy of pure expression, whether it was music, OMing, shouting -anger or exuberance, laughter. In whatever form that the human spirit was moved to express itself merged into one flame. To me that is what it is all about, and always has been. The process of free expression, the freedom to do so and the bonding and healing that comes from such an event.
NICE ONE ! :) The world is a better place for what just took place at Stonehenge
I feel that it would be really valuable, powerful and fun for us to get together really soon to debrief while the memories are really vivid.
We can do this informally as a picnic, or as an official TRC meeting or both - whatever, sometime in the next two weeks would be good - lets toss around a few dates and see how we feel.
Thank you Paul Aitken for your great press page.
The Summer Solstice Experiment 2001 - The odyssy continues........ www.thewarpexperience.org/stonehenge There is a discussion area on this page, and links - please contribute any info, press reports, and links that you think may belong there.
Brian
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:19:36 +0100
From: "Andy Burnham" [ aburnham@easynet.co.uk ]
Subject: Stonehenge and ASLaN audio recordings
I have two audio recordings ready for web transmission. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/aburnham/pers/sounds.htm
Stonehenge solstice 2000 An anthropologist friend of mine has kindly allowed me to use her 'audio diary' of some of the events at the recent open solstice celebrations at Stonehenge. It contains extracts of the ambience of the place and her commentary. (7 minutes)
ASLaN conference discussion The panel discussion that ended the first ASLaN conference, held on the 17th June at Bodicote Park, Banbury in Oxfordshire (40 minutes)
Panelists were
Richard Bradley - Professor of Archaeology, Reading University George Lambrick - CBA Director and Rollrights Trustee Rob Woodside - National Trust asst archaeologist Clare Slaney - Save our Sacred Sites Rev'd Richard Thomas - Diocese of Oxford Gill Swanton - landowner of part of Avebury and on World Heritage Site Steering Group Philip Heselton - Earth Mysteries Researcher Cassandra Latham - Village Witch
The subject matter includes Seahenge (again) and the state Stonehenge has been left in by countless excavations.
To listen to these you will need a RealAudio plugin, which is available for most systems. They also works with recent versions of Microsoft Media players I think.
There will be plenty more to come from the conference, as well as some dedicated pages and transcripts (that someone else is doing :-)!)
Please forward this on as you like. Note that these audio extracts are subject to copyright and may not be reproduced without the permission of the owners. Contact me for more information..
Cheers, Andy
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:27:47 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: FW: Stonehenge Summer Solstice
This email may be of interest to you all
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To: stonehenge2000@woodpecker.demon.co.uk
Subject: Stonehenge Summer Solstice
Stonehenge is a sacred site provided by our ancestors so that we may pass it on to our children and grandchildren. I went to the stones this summer for the solstice and was firmly put in the frame of mind that in future the stones should not be abused in this way again. Whilst the Druids (I'm not a Druid) respected the area there were far too many arseholes who couldn't take their drink/drugs and were standing on and climbing on the stones. Freedom should never include the freedom to destroy that which is not ours. I sadly came to the conclusion that English Heritage were right and that the greatest friend that the stones have had over the years are the archaeologists and in fact the Police who have had to struggle so hard to defend them. Next year I hope they have the courage to deny access. We did nothing to earn it, and everything to loose it.
There are almost a thousand Stone circles and henges in the UK most of which do not even get a visit at the solstice, because they are not trendy enough for the hangers on/Anarchists to go to. Please stop using a sacred site as a battle ground.
Jager.
Below I`ve included my reply
Hi You must be one of the very few people who did not see this years solstice as a success. If your sole interest is maintaining the stones in their pristine state perhaps a building should be erected around them and then the air could be evacuated to prevent any further oxidation of the stone surface or errosion by the mosses and lichen. When I was a child the stones were open to all for free and clambering over the fallen stones was not seen as abuse, in fact many would claim that such intimate contact is important for us to appreciate the signifacance of this site. No damage was done to the stones this year so presumably what you dislike is the lack of respect.
I would claim that the respect of Druids based on pseudo religious/cultural ideas is in no way better than the respect of the revellers. The police were not defending the stones in previous years, they were preventing the People`s Free Festival and carrying out the Tory government`s policy regarding "the enemy within" We don`t have to earn the right to experience our heritage any more than to live on our shared earth. It is you who are now continuing the battle of Stonehenge while most of us are celebrating the peace.
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
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(StoneForm) I love stonehenge and I visit it every year i think it is a magical place and when I'm there i feel a totally different person. (From) KIY in Norfolk 19th July 2000
Hi George, thanks for the e-mail. I will try and put down, as best I can, some of my experiences of the 21 June 2000:
On Tuesday the 20th June my brother Tom and I drove from Brighton, along the south coast, up to Salisbury. We followed the first sign to Stonehenge and we were pleasantly surprised to find ourselves joining an orderly convoy. Arriving at 10.30pm and within a mile of the stones, we were ushered into a large field by the fluorescent tabards. Hundreds of vehicles of all shapes and sizes: cars, buses, ambulances, vans, jeeps, land rovers, sports cars, bangers, bikes and horsedrawn covered wagons. You name it, it was there. All beautifully organized into neat rows. I was eager to get up to the stones but my brother, a veteran of some 3 or 4 stonehenge solstices from 16 or more years past, insisted that we take our time and prepare. We watched all the folks arrive and march passed us towards the stones. Reflecting the transport that they all came in; all equally weird and wonderful from cute blonde scandinavian bunnies and self proclaimed south coast beach rats, to families with kids of all ages and dark mysterious cloaked and hooded figures standing swathed in the mist or filing silently past in long columns, carrying flaming torches. By 12 midnight, after a lot of indecisive discussion, we left everything that we thought we would need behind, taking only the bare essentials and joined the procession. We'd only gone about 500 yards when Tom, standing in a corn field, announced that he'd lost something. What it was we don't know and probably never will but we still looked for it for about half an hour. I told Tom that whatever it was would still be there when we came back and we moved on, narrowly avoiding a return trip to the car. We then came across some friendly cart-horses peacefully grazing in a leafy lane. Friendly that is until Tom decided to do a little rough-housing with them. Who, in their right mind, wrestles with a dray horse in the dark of night? Need less to say we had to run. On down the road we were courteously shown through a gap in a fence, into another field, up over a ridge and as if by magic there we were. No exclusion zone, no fence, no police, no bother. There they were, the monoliths towering above us, larger than life and twice as glorious. Humming and resonating with energy and a maelstrom of people weaving in and out of the portals, doing whatever people do when they are at Stonehenge of a summer solstice eve. I promptly lost my brother and most of my faculties and got down to some serious celebrating. It was heaving! I milled, mooched and mosied about for a bit and then someone screamed SKUNK TRUFFLES! in my ear. I bought two at one pound a piece. One for me and one for my absent brother. I scoffed mine immediately and waited at least 10 mins before assuring myself that I was not going to find Tom before the second truffle became mush in my sweaty paw. So I did the only sensible thing and greedily scoffed it too. Well I couldn't put it in my pocket could I? It would have been a terrible mess. It's odd but everything gets a bit hazy after that, reality mixes with dreamtime. I remember looking at a chap with his face pressed up against a stone and I realised that he was licking it but then I realised that I was doing the same too. I was atop a stone, straddling it, riding it like a great horse. From my solid yet undulating mount I had an amazing view of the pulsating vortex that was the centre of the stone circle. The scene was timeless, a bacchanal in full swing and charged to the max. A spinning orgy of energy and revelry and a cacophony of drumming and yelling. The crowd, as one, chanted "Off, Off, Off" for the light show to be doused and it was revealing the true, wondrous colours of the stones, vivid lavenders and vibrant greens. As dawn approached a lone piper became prominent, standing above the crowd in the centre. Her long flame red hair and dark tartan cloak flowing out, almost at right-angles, in the blasting wind. Her tune alone rising above the tumult. And then it was light.
I hung around for a while before heading back to the car. Got disoriented in the clear light of day. I was sure that I hadn't walked that far to get to the stones, turned around and ended up back at the stones again. On the second attempt I eventually made it back to the car. Exhausted and expecting to find an irate brother, locked out and cold. There was no sign of him, so I crawled into the car to sleep. Not for long though, Tom woke me up about 10 mins later and insisted that I join him and some others sitting jokin'n'smokin'. So I did.
People had already started leaving the field and God alone knows what time it was when we walked back to the stones, just to make sure it was real, but all the fences were up again and the tourists, in their tour buses had already arrived. It was as if it had never happened, just a hazy dream. We walked down to one of the burial mounds below the stones, climbed it and fell asleep in the long grass out of the wind and the only sound was the skylarks.
I woke with the urgent need to get back to the car, tried to wake Tom but to no avail. When I came over the ridge of the big field, that's exactly what I found; a big empty field. Everyone had already gone, except for one car, mine, and another one pulling up to it and a guy jumping out and looking through the windows. I thought that the car was about to be nicked. I made a beeline straight for it, and the second car started driving towards me. As they pulled up beside me I realised that they were CID. They asked me if the car was mine. I said yes and they said O.K. and drove off. I got into the car still three or four sheets to the wind , looked in the mirror and saw two bloodshot eyes, one redder than the other, starring right back at me. I sat for 10 mins wondering what to do by which time the CID had driven all the way back down the field and back again, circled slowly round the back of me and pulled up along side. The windows were rolled down, we nodded.
Do you think you could move your car now please, we're about to close the entrance.
I 'm waitin' for ma brother.
Where's he?
Pause to think. Well, you know that big field in front of the stones.
Yeah.
He's sleeping in that.
Oh, right.
And if I move the car he won't know were to find me.
Yeah, but...
Did you say you were closing the entrance?
Yeah.
O.K. I'll go park in the public car park then.
Yeah, great, thanks.
Thanks, bye.
And off I drove, at two miles an hour. Parked up with the rest of the tourists, walked back to the burial ground and fell asleep again.
We left later that day at a decent hour.
All in all we both had a truly amazing and memorable time.
Thanks to the universe.
Date: 03 July 2000 02:34
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(StoneForm) Interesting site. I'm a public archaeologist- archaeology for the public, by the public, that sort of thing, and therefore very interested in the Stonehenge debate. (From) Penny Bernard (Email) pjbernard@yahoo.com
From: "Andy" [ blueboxed@partyvibe.com ]
To: [ baccus@partyvibe.com ]
Subject: POSITIVE PARTY SchNEWS
Date: 20 July 2000 12:51
The Luton based Exodus Collective and their new found friend Lord Howland, are set to make history with the first ever legal free-party on July 29th. You can stop rubbing your eyes in disbelief, it's all true. Lord Howland, whose golf course has seen many an Exodus party without his permission in the past, speaks quite fondly of the Collective, "I did initially have a problem with Exodus, but we have established a link. It seems sensible to go forward together rather than fighting each other. Their achievements are very impressive, and they are very good people to deal with." From now on, the Collective can use a site agreed with the Lord at no cost to hold free-parties. Even the police and the council have seen the light. The council have recognised that a non-profit making community event shouldn't require a license in the same way that a pay party does. The police have even agreed that Exodus polices itself better without the boys in blue, and are happy to let them run their own show! If all goes well (and it stops raining every bloody day) the Collective will hold mini festivals every month from March to August, culminating in the Free The Spirit Festival in August. For more on Exodus check out www.squall.co.uk/
* Exodus will be coming to Brighton soon to launch the new SchNEWS/Squall book.
* If you're looking for a party in Brighton this weekend call the Underground Sound Party line call 0207 6445601
From: "Pete Glastonbury" [ gtour@redhotant.com ]
To: [ stonehenge@stones.com ]
Subject: Re: Standing inside the circle
Date: 05 July 2000 17:19
Hi, http://www.stonehenge-avebury.net/Photos/gtour/Qtvrstnhng.html P
From: "Geocities WebMonitor mail" [ No.Return.Email@geocities.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form
Date: 21 July 2000 08:40
(StoneForm)
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I'm 15 but have been a witch for 5 years(always had pagan beleifs but only started 3 years ago) i have never been to stone hendge but always wanted to. the only reason i haven't been is there is no way of me getting down there. YOU ARE SO LUCKY!
Love Diana (my real names amy but my mates call me Diana coz of the goddes)
P.S if i ever go i'll write back and tell you want i think (if i can find the words to describe it)
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From: "Rory Cargill" [ etherealmusic@LineOne.net ]
To: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Constructing a dialogue, FWIW.
Date: 16 July 2000 04:01
As regards my reasons for not bothering with the Big Greenback Gathering is basically from my perspective it's a waste of time. Like I really wanna hang out with folks who are totally down on the kinda sounds I play. What do you take me for? Some sorta masochist or something?
Like I'm really gonna wanna go thru all the hoopla of getting out to festival all keyed up to play only to face what? A whole lotta 'You can't do this', 'Turn it down', 'We don't want that here', 'Do what you're told' and 'You aren't allowed to do that'. Fuck that, mate. I get all that bollocks every day at home. Why go to a so-called 'festival' where I'm gonna have more of the same old crap thrown at me?
Hey listen, buddy (If we're gonna talk as equals, let's cut the faff and start right here, OK.), all this baloney about technology is just a load of corporate production-line bullshit to produce a string of 'right-on (pass the sick bag before I throw up)' folkie and disco acts. What's on the bill at the BGG, huh? Anything electric other than amplified acoustic acts or canned techno/disco (which is produced in studios powered by the National Grid)? Anything rockist? Hardly. I'd sooner set up in the parking lot at Donnington, knoworrimean like.
Look, the thing that drew me into festivals was music, dope, freedom of expression and the cool festie hippie village scene. First, I used to go just to listen and hang out. After a while, I got restless and wanted to play. Not just scrubbing on a beat-up acoustic guitar with five strings, but kickin' out some decent jams with decent gear. Got a problem with that? But times seem to have changed, so like I said: "Maybe in another lifetime", 'cos it sure don't look like happening in this one.
Can I tell the difference between green fields and steel rails? Yeah sure, man. Have fun at the Big Steel Rail. If you're lucky, it won't rain. I had hoped that by the time I got to my age that I'd know some people to get some jams together with and such like, but it hasn't happened. The only options open to me are either staying at home and playing some music or going somewhere and not being allowed to do anything outside of the strict confines of what's permissable, ie: watching other people play or scrubbing away on a beat-up guitar with five strings. Nope, I'd rather use my time constructively. Speaking of which, my guitar playing's been getting a bit scrappy recently, so I need to spend a whole lot more time playing and less time hanging around.
No, I'm not a happy bunny these days, but I live with it and make the best of things. I'm sick and tired of being manipulated towards yet another folkie strumalong act and having everything that I do undermined, so I'm not playing ball any more.
The Invisible Band! Ethereal Music etherealmusic@lineone.net www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/9313 www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/beegee/306
Gosport Hants
9th July 2000
Dear SC, I received your last newsletter, for which I did not send any stamps. I will do my best. I saw in there a listing for the Gosport Festival. As this is sponsored by Barratts and Persimmons homes (who have built their crappy little boxes all round me here) I don't think it should be given any encouragement. I may be wrong. They are also due to build another 1000+ at Lee on Solent, as well as new roads etc. We do not need them. (Houses or developers). Just thought I would put my point of view! All the best. BL
(comments) ------------------------------------------------------------ Hello george, i think i met you years ago when i first started living on site, about 11 years ago.... anyway
I am a textile student now, but i still live in my caravan in london I have to write an 8000 word thesis and ive chosen to write about stonehenge but looking at recent history, say the last 30 years. what it means to people now as well as its symbolic meanings, and how people have interpreted these meanings... anyway, I'm still a little vague, but would like to talk to a variety of stonehenge frequenters and get some inside info! I've only been inside the circle twice in my life, (i am 28) which seems a little unfair!
well i would really appreciate it if you could get back to me on: bigbex@hotmail.com, or my phone is ******** Tanks and good luck with your various missions! BEX. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 00july2000:
SOLSTICE 2000 ACCOUNTS
MAGICK MOMENTS -by- Alan Dearling
Me, I haven't rebounded on Earth since the Stones. Not yet. I'm a day back and my head is still somewhere on that wind, rain and mist-filled Plain of Salisbury.
The Y2K solstice party seemed to be full of good vibes. No cause during the 20th or 21st of June for Jack Straw to blame travellers of any kind for anything in particular, apart from having a good time!
My only, and relatively minor gripe, was English Heritage. They need their knuckles gently rapping for playing pass the parcel with a few hundred of us on the afternoon leading up to the solstice. At about 3.30 p.m. the police asked us to move out of the main Stonehenge car park to a lay-by about three miles away up on the edge of the Larkhall military range. About thirty of us had a few hours gently partying and wondering whether we had been effectively separated and dumped in Army-land. A Centurian tank loomed ominously about 400 yards away and convoys of trucks and jeeps passed every few minutes. Having put us on the verge, the police were stuck with an increasing number of people and vehicles cluttering up the roadsides for miles around the Stones. Finally, the police told us the Stones car park was being opened up by English Heritage at 6.30 p.m. Not hearing anymore, our group of about ten vehicles nudged its way back towards the parking area. We were still excluded; road-blocked, and the police were stuck with the job of urging the Heritage to get their act together, while locals had to contend with hundreds of our clans blocking up the link roads. Eventually, and seemingly reluctantly, it was nearly 8 p.m. when the parking area was opened up. A big communal sigh of relief and joy. 11.30 p.m. for opening the actual Stones seems fair, but everyone, especially those with live-in vehicles, children, dogs etc. need to park-up sensibly, well before that time.
In the park-up field, I met with quite a lot of old time new Travellers, who shared many memories of Stonehenge festivals and the battles of the Beanfield and Stoney Cross; a few Romanies, some of whom travel with new Travellers; newer visitors who've never had the chance to be in Stones since the 1984 clamp-down; smiling and gentle, Scottish and Irish (I think) Travellers in a group of about 15 bow tops and hand drawn; and many Druids, Pagans, ravers and more. Drums started a drumming, small sound systems pumped out trance sounds and the Travellers rode their bare back horses around the fresh cut field as a tableau for a splendid sunset.
As the gates let the multitude in at just before 11.30 p.m., the Druid/Pagan alliance performed a really clever opening to the ceremonies. Stretching a good fifty yards from the gate as human finger pointing towards the Stones, they constructed a human pergola, with their staves interlinked in a triumphant arch. All people entering the site were invited, and obliged, to walk singly within the corridor of paired elders of the pagan persuasions. "You are one of us - you are a druid - you are anointed into our brethren" we were each told amidst the drumming, drones and chanting.
Fire twirlers, musicians, dancers, and many multifarious garbed-ones. Like all those present my mind raced and jumped wildly between hundreds of sound and vision spectacles. One moment a mystic chant, then rhythmic drumming and then Tibetan hand bells.
Towards the expected sunrise, the elements conspired a localised tempest of wind, mist and rain. Spirits weren't thwarted though. Indeed the tempo raised in series of cacophonies, wilder drums, waving wands of fire, various processions of cloaked Pagans and Druids performing their rites. No sign of the sun, but no dampening of spirits - if anything the reverse. The Stones once more belonged to the people. An icon of celebration. A fine piece of very British whimsy, and thankfully a million miles (or at least fifteen years) removed from the clashes of the eighties, or the English football supporters in Euro 2000.
Magick moments indeed.
Alan (Dearling) Research Fellow, University of Luton, and
From: "Stonehenge under threat!" [ stonehenge@care4free.net ]
Subject: Please take part in the Great Stonehenge Poll!
Date: 14 July 2000 10:25
This is one of my occasional emails to my "people interested in Stonehenge" list. If you receive the mail by mistake, please accept my apologies and let me know, and I'll remove you from the list at once. -----------------
With controversy mounting over the Stonehenge Master Plan/tunnel scheme, I've decided to run a poll. A chance to have your say!
The question is: What should be done about Stonehenge?
* Press ahead with the current plan as soon as possible * Consider all alternatives, including the long-bore tunnel, before doing anything else * Leave it as it is and do nothing
Vote online now at http://www.stonehenge.care4free.net It takes about 2 seconds and you can instantly see the results. It's painless and completely anonymous.
Inevitably, these options are a bit crude, but I think most people's views seem to fall into one of the three categories, and the poll is designed to do nothing more than roughly capture feelings. Personally, I'll be interested to see how many people vote to keep the place just as it is.
Note that the system is smart enough to stop multiple votes, but please don't try to vote more than once. Please pop back to the site occasionally to check the results.
If you're not sure about the issues, there's plenty of background information on the same website and on the Council for British Archaeology's Stonehenge web page: http://www.britarch.ac.uk/cba/stone1.html
Please forward to any of your friends/colleagues who might be interested. 82 people have voted so far; it would be nice to get a sample of say 200-500.
Thanks..... ChrisW.
Date: 09 July 2000 10:50
(StoneForm) ---------------------------------------------------- Have you heard of Bruce Bedlam's theory on Stonehenge. If not I think you should have a chat with him, and take a look at his model.
I'm was a skeptic, a real devil's advocate, but I think he's got some answers.... Ah ha, I've just read his name further down the list. Thanks, Jonathan ---------------------------------------------------------- (From) Jonathan (Email) Jonathan@haba.co.uk (Website) www.haba.co.uk
] Subj: Re: Recent email fwds (warp & henge trc)
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Date: 00-07-19 10:18:16 EDT
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From: news@spark.u-net.com (sparknewsdesk)
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To: Visiondans@aol.com
I want the authorities to aknowledge the abuse of power and apolgise to those
whose lives were distorted by the events - are you interested in working on
this issue? ]
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Dear Visiondans... Thanks for the recent forwarded postings - warp looks rather scrummy and i'll try and make it down to the George for friday's trc meeting. It's been a weird couple of years - there's a lot of strength and intelligence gelling together again, things are looking... positive!
On another subject, I'm researching for a piece (not really Spark-work) that you may be able to help me with, or point me in the right direction. Basically it's about the break-up of the 'peace-convoy' in the 80s. I'm looking for personal testimony, clues, details, dates, locations, ideas, hints, theories... I'm looking at the behaviour of the authorities towards travellers with a similar analysis as that that has in recent years been applied to its treatment of the unions from 1976 (Ridley Report) through to the 1980s and the strategic breaking of the 'labour aristocracy' of the miners and the printworkers. In other words, the systematic, planned and brutal putting down of a threat to its power and authority. I think you probably know what I'm getting at.
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] If you can help, please email me back [ news@spark.u-net.com ]
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Subject: [ stonehengepeace ] can someone please respond to this........
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From: "Alex White" [ efk42@mailcity.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Article from Donnard
Date: 10 July 2000 01:13
Hi George,
I haven't had access to the Internet for quite a bit now, because I'm back in London and have absolutely no money - I've borrowed a pound to get into an Internet cafe.
I started typing in that article but somehow it doesn't sound right now - I'm feeling a bit low and I can't make myself write something happy about Stonehenge - it would feel to forced at the moment.
But I would still appreciate numbers or addresses for Robbie, Gillie and Jessie.
Hope you're OK Donnard
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 00 20:37:47 +0100
From: clareslaney [ clareslaney@mistral.co.uk ]
Subject: peace at stonehenge
Stonehenge makes people confrontational. Who knows why, but it does. If we keep concious of that fact we can try to overcome it.
Mark, I'm one of those Druids who won't go to Stonehenge unless I've arranged private access because I get upset by the confrontation. I'm not interested in talking with people who are basically there to shout. For me, Stonehenge is a temple and my way of being in a temple is peaceful, so that I can just *be* there. The only way I can experience that at Stonehenge is by arranging private access.
But I wouldn't insist that my way is the only way. I would ask that everyone who visits Stonehenge treats it with the respect that they would treat a good friends living room, ie not climbing all over it or yelling. Personally I'm against festivals inside the stones, but wouldn't burst a blood vessel if a festival was to happen outside of the World Heritage Area.
Stonehenge has become an icon of resistance. One of the only things we do know about it is that the Stonehenge we see now - and there were a lot before this one! - was a calendar. Not a temple, perhaps. And not a place to stamp our feet at Governments.
This Midsummer was a wonderful success, peaceful and joyful because everyone compromised, because everyone put the Stones first.
Put the Stones first. Not our need for festivals, or silence, or protest or anything else. Not our needs, but the needs of the Stones.
In love and peace
cs
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:30:08 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
In message [ 200007071935.TAA14964@hinge3.mistral.co.uk ] , clareslaney [ clareslaney@mistral.co.uk ] writes ] Stonehenge makes people confrontational. Who knows why, but it does. ] If we keep concious of that fact we can try to overcome it.
It's not too surprising that there is confrontation if you are aware that the festival in the 1980's which attracted 30 to 50 thousand people was ended by unilateral decree and police in 1985 executed a illegal ambush and attack arresting hundreds of people destroying their vehicles and possessions, in 1986 there were mass arrests, in 1988 10,000 people were driven from the stones by paramilitary police units, from 1989 to 1998 there were banning orders nicknamed "the exclusion zone" used to prevent anyone from entering a four mile radius of the site.
Obviously we are all working to overcome this historical burden. But it is important to understand the history and not just rely on what newspapers have been telling you. ]
Mark, I'm one of those Druids who won't go to Stonehenge unless I've arranged private access because I get upset by the confrontation. I'm not interested in talking with people who are basically there to shout. For me, Stonehenge is a temple and my way of being in a temple is peaceful, so that I can just *be* there. The only way I can experience that at Stonehenge is by arranging private access.
But I wouldn't insist that my way is the only way. I would ask that everyone who visits Stonehenge treats it with the respect that they would treat a good friends living room, ie not climbing all over it or yelling. Personally I'm against festivals inside the stones, but wouldn't burst a blood vessel if a festival was to happen outside of the World Heritage Area.
Stonehenge has become an icon of resistance. One of the only things we do know about it is that the Stonehenge we see now - and there were a lot before this one! - was a calendar. Not a temple, perhaps. And not a place to stamp our feet at Governments.
This Midsummer was a wonderful success, peaceful and joyful because everyone compromised, because everyone put the Stones first.
Put the Stones first. Not our need for festivals, or silence, or protest or anything else. Not our needs, but the needs of the Stones.
In love and peace
cs
-- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:00:22 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
In message [ 39409F8F.18984007@pacbell.net ] , josie grant [ jo- zgran@pacbell.net ] writes ] clare- how does one get a pass? will travel there from us for euinox- thanks- ] josie
Normally there's free public access at the Atumn Equinox - just turn up and you can normally expect to go in with other members of the public.
If you want to go after (or before) tourist hours on any day with a party of people, you fill in a form and apply for "special access". If you are pagans/druids or a similar spiritual group this is charged at the reduced "druid rate" of £4UKP a head. But if you're trying for a pagan/druid festival date expect it to be booked up months in advance.
Ring Stonehenge office 01980-625386 to find out if your chosen date is free or not. ]
Message: 3
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:59:41 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: FW: Stonehenge Summer Solstice
As instigator of the Peace Stewards, and as one of the Peace Stewards, who were at the stones at the solstice to help orient the public towards respecting the agreement that allowed them to be there, I looked long and hard at this issue on the spot, along with other stewards and people who were also worrying about it, but decided it was not appropriate or possible to make an intervention to remove the dozens of people who had mounted the recumbent stones, and that such action might even be counter-productive. This is not to say that some stewards did not intervene, even successfully, at the beginning.
Whether in another, better prepared situation, people in a big crowd can be cultured to refrain from getting onto these tempting vantage points out of respect for the stones is an interesting question.
I think the official view is that there was no appreciable damage, the stones have been climbed on before, and probably do not have much lichen to disturb. We will learn more when we meet at the TRC to debrief about the event on July 21st (an open meeting). I would be of the opinion that dancing with boots on may be a problem. On a wet night you could not persuade people to take their boots off.
I think the best way to stop people standing on the large recumbent stones is to re-erect them as verticals!
I agree with Mark's comments - the actions taken in the 1980s were political. Now we've got past that regime we need to all work together, and that means not targetting any group of people for rejection or censure, before understanding why they are doing what they are doing. Perhaps reacting in what seems a truculent way, or just indulging in self expression after many years in which self expression, or their very existence, has been subject to banning orders.
Climbing on the stones is a matter of controversy, there is always someone saying it is inevitable, and someone (usually English Heritage) saying it must not happen. Reality lies somewhere between these positions. Yes if we could persuade it away, that would be brilliant, we are not going to persuade it away by denigrating the people who do it, only by being friendly towards them. I think that "sturmjager" needs to understand this is, the Peace Steward method, and the Peace Process method, that it is a method that works
In message [ LPBBJHNEECPPPCNADKBFKEPACAAA.mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ] ,
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Subject: Stonehenge Summer Solstice
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Stonehenge is a sacred site provided by our ancestors so that we may pass it on to our children and grandchildren. I went to the stones this summer for the solstice and was firmly put in the frame of mind that in future the stones should not be abused in this way again. Whilst the Druids (I'm not a Druid) respected the area there were far too many arseholes who couldn't take their drink/drugs and were standing on and climbing on the stones. Freedom should never include the freedom to destroy that which is not ours. I sadly came to the conclusion that English Heritage were right and that the greatest friend that the stones have had over the years are the archaeologists and in fact the Police who have had to struggle so hard to defend them. Next year I hope they have the courage to deny access. We did nothing to earn it, and everything to loose it.
There are almost a thousand Stone circles and henges in the UK most of which do not even get a visit at the solstice, because they are not trendy enough for the hangers on/Anarchists to go to. Please stop using a sacred site as a battle ground.
Jager.
Below I`ve included my reply
Hi You must be one of the very few people who did not see this years solstice as a success. If your sole interest is maintaining the stones in their pristine state perhaps a building should be errected around them and then the air could be evacuated to prevent any further oxidation of the stone surface or errosion by the mosses and lichen. When I was a child the stones were open to all for free and clambering over the fallen stones was not seen as abuse, in fact many would claim that such intimate contact is important for us to appreciate the signifacance of this site. No damage was done to the stones this year so presumably what you dislike is the lack of respect. I would claim that the respect of Druids based on pseudo religious/cultural ideas is in no way better than the respect of the revellers. The police were not defending the stones in previous years, they were preventing the People`s Free Festival and carrying out the Tory government`s policy regarding "the enemy within" We don`t have to earn the right to experience our heritage any more than to live on our shared earth. It is you who are now continuing the battle of Stonehenge while most of us are celebrating the peace.
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
-- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:43:50 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: 23 hour full power
Dear friends,
Thanks for getting in touch. I do want to clarify this position.
I have been receiving regular postal mailings from somebody producing material representing The Spiral Tribe, the story put out was they were in Europe, America, India, but shortly before this summer many of them were reported to be back in this country.
Shortly before the Solstice the disturbing material, picturing Stonehenge with the slogan "Make some fuckin' noise" was mailed out. As this seemed to threaten, or otherwise could have encouraged others to set up sound systems in the Stonehenge area, contrary the the "No Amplified Music" agreement that had been reached to allow, what was, on the night, as it turned out, a -brilliantly good natured- public access to the stones.
I obviously wanted to communicate with these people, and so I used all the email addresses that had been published in an earlier Spiral Tribe postal mailing to try and make contact. This included your address. The police message was not the first or only message, sent to your and other addresses about this situation which was concerning us.
There were some replies, but not from anybody who represented the Spiral Tribe(s). It did not seem that the person(s) who put out the deliberately provocative material did have a clear understanding what would inevitably happen if they brought their systems to Stonehenge. Or even worse, they might be cynically encouraging others to do what they would not risk themselves. So I asked Supt. Andy Hollingshead to make a public statement which was put on our website and also mailed to the Spiral Tribe's short e-mailing list, which included your address.
I make no implication about the sound conspiracy musicians and I'm sorry if this has upset you. It could be that this has all been stirred up by some individual (for sure someone's been doing these postal mailings) who wants to wind up the situation 'for political ends'.
If you or any of your friends, want to make contact about, being part of a team negotiating with real live landowners for a legal event in 2001, we want to hear from you.
My response to the voices that appear at our meetings saying young people want a party is this. If people want a party they have to make a party, not expect someone else to do it for them.
The situation has quietly changed in as much, the alternative community is no longer necessarily seen by the state in this country as an enemy of the state. There is a door to a dialogue with the authorities which is open, if it is done in a diplomatic manner.
Further clarity about who we are can be seen on: http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk messages can be freely posted on the stonehengepeace@egroups newsgroup
In message [ 20000708084442.35599.qmail@hotmail.com ] , sound conspiracy [ soundconspiracy@hotmail.com ] writes i dont know who the fuck you are but if you want to write to this adress with your opinions about life you should get you facts straight your constant referral to spiral tribe is very sad and out of date and not anything to do with htis adress which is the adress for the sound conspiracy sound system collective
the spiral tribe you seem to think still exists in its same state as the media hype time of early/mid nineties has in fact seperated and mutated a long time since and it is in fact a redundent term in the sense of living breathing posse living together with single mission if you wish to speak about the sound conpiracy which is an international collective of musicians and artists from all over europe fom massivly diverse backgrounds with various missions and agendas all over the globe and is actually based in several places on mainland europe but not in england and has in fact never been to england as a sound system and has no plans to go to england as a sound system so i dont actually know why you are so misinformed as to talk about spiral tribe in england to this adress......................
briefly to wisen you up on general point of ideals which we hold as a central part of our mission is that we aim to spread knowledge of the self and respekt in all its guises to all people through the medium of dance and to show that an alternative way of living and thinking is possible outside of the socially accepted and pushed normal
and finally i would like to say that we are not so stupid as to not be aware of the laws directly affecting our style of life and you should not be so paranoid as to think that we dont know what we are doing or how that affects society in general and so if you have anything positive and constructive to add to our collective then feel free and if you dont then piss off
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk
To: maxdynamix@hotmail.com, jaz jaz [ jaz@thespiraleye.fsnet.co.uk ,
elegal23@hotmail.com, tacticalforce@hotmail.com,
soundconspiracy@hotmail.com, tnslondon@yahoo.com
Subject: [ stonehengepeace RE: raves
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:47:06 +0100
I asked Supt. Andy Hollingshead, the Divisional Commander for the Stonehenge Area, for a comment on his policy towards raves. This is it.
[ Etc. -- George Firsoff
"Though the road may be long Still journey on Till you reach your happy abode" (song)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 05:36:48 -0700
From: josie grant [ jo-zgran@pacbell.net ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
thanks for the info-josie
George Firsoff wrote:
In message [ 39409F8F.18984007@pacbell.net , josie grant [ jo- zgran@pacbell.net writes
clare- how does one get a pass? will travel there from us for euinox- thanks- josie
Normally there's free public access at the Atumn Equinox - just turn up and you can normally expect to go in with other members of the public.
If you want to go after (or before) tourist hours on any day with a party of people, you fill in a form and apply for "special access". If you are pagans/druids or a similar spiritual group this is charged at the reduced "druid rate" of £4UKP a head. But if you're trying for a pagan/druid festival date expect it to be booked up months in advance.
Ring Stonehenge office 01980-625386 to find out if your chosen date is free or not.
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:21:30 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
I think what I am saying is that One visit to the stones after Sixteen years of banning is quite early in that process. If in that circumstances people want to hug the stones for eight hours I find that kind of understandable. If some of them still have cynical delusions about the authorities I don't find that too surprising either. I was amazed at how well this year's event went. Most people (as in Northern Ireland) have Peace at heart.
As for there being a crowd of people and finding ways to stop them climbing on the extremely accessible recumbent stones that's a difficult and delicate problem.
How can you persuade them that you are the one who knows what are "the needs of the stones"? Perhaps the stones need lots of people, to move around and utilize, its stored subtle energy, which otherwise goes stagnant. Perhaps the stones need us to campaign for the re-erection of the fallen verticals. Perhaps they have some memory of what they were built for that we can tap into.
When I once tried to talk to the spirits in the stones I honestly didn't know how to communicate with them. Alone in the stones I was not in a calm place in the middle of Salisbury Plain but surrounded on both sides by the constant moving lights and rush of cars and the roar of articulated lorries. Meditation was not that easy. Maybe the stones need the A303 or the A344 not to be there.
Also I've never met the extremely large giants who reportedly are the guardians of the stones, which some sensitives claim to have encountered. Perhaps just as well. They're said to be, well awesome, if not positively frightening.
What do our readers think? What are "the needs of the stones" above and beyond the needs of individuals, groups or organisations? Or is that a silly question? Is it always a human interaction after all?
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:52:33 EDT
From: Visiondans@aol.com
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
I think singing and dancing and celerbrating the amazing experience of being alive on a few of the fallen stones is harmless, and that all of this obsessiveness is part of the sickness in our culture that led to the debacle of the '80's in first place.
Whatsmore in all my dealings and working with different groups over the years, iI have never met a more "addicted to confict" bunch of people than I have with the Stonehenge "peace workers"
So we can be proud to be the metaphor for the human condition, and the metaphor for the healing of that condition that has kept the whole planet in the jaws of warfare for thousands of years.
Keep up the good work brothers and sisters see you at the TRC meeting :) Brian
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:26:07 -0500
From: "Judith Prueitt" [ prueitt@gte.net ]
Subject: the needs of the stones
I don't have any words of wisdom on what should or should not happen. That will, and does, depend on what or who has say in their future. The stones themselves hold captive the imaginations of millions of people though thousands of years. There must be something going on with them. What that SOMETHING is I wouldn't even pretend to know. It's like asking what does the planet want? I believe we share a symbiotic connection with the earth. I also believe we are drawn to symbols to react just like our ancestors. Whoever, they may have been.
I know it sounds goofy. Sounds a little weird to me when I say stuff like this. I think caring for the stones is important. I think the idea of stewards of the stones during festivals is a good idea too. One I whole heartedly support. Thank you all for being there.
judith prueitt
that's what I think, you did ask.
] ] What do our readers think? What are "the needs of the stones" above and beyond the needs of individuals, groups or organisations? Or is that a silly question? Is it always a human interaction after all? ] ]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:36:09 +0100
From: jenny blain [ jenny.blain@freeuk.com ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
George, I was really interested in what you say here:
] When I once tried to talk to the spirits in the stones I honestly didn't know how to communicate with them. Alone in the stones I was not in a calm place in the middle of Salisbury Plain but surrounded on both sides by the constant moving lights and rush of cars and the roar of articulated lorries. Meditation was not that easy. Maybe the stones need the A303 or the A344 not to be there.
Also I've never met the extremely large giants who reportedly are the guardians of the stones, which some sensitives claim to have encountered. Perhaps just as well. They're said to be, well awesome, if not positively frightening.
I had my own interactions, with stones or spirits, at the solstice, which were - interesting - and I'd like to know more about these guardians. Probably offlist!
That aside - to 'put the stones first' assumes that there is one way of doing so, one clear need. I don't see how that's to be determined. Whether at the time(s) they were erected, or now, they have multiple meanings, multiple relationships constructed in the complex interactions between people, place, stones, and whatever others there are who have an interest... And this includes all the political dimensions.
Clare, when you talk about the needs of the stones, what does that mean for you?
blessings Jenny
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:21:23 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: peace at stonehenge
Hi, Good point there Jenny, as someone pointed out in an earlier posting who can say that the stones don`t need music and shouting. There is certainly a lot of magic on such noisey occasions, as was surely felt by everyone within the inner circle this solstice. At prevoius events I have found the attempts at meaningful ceremony by various druids at best moving, often pathetic and at worst fraudulant. For us revelers this solsice was an important cultural event, not a occasion for inflating our egos with dubious mysticism but a celebration of the coming together of our tribes in peace and celebration in a shared reality. Nothing to do with secret teachings, kings or hierarchies of any kind, just us as free people doing what we do best, celebrating life.
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
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From: jenny blain [ mailto:jenny.blain@freeuk.com ]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 4:36 PM
To: stonehengepeace@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ stonehengepeace ] peace at stonehenge
I had my own interactions, with stones or spirits, at the solstice, which were - interesting - and I'd like to know more about these guardians. Probably offlist!
That aside - to 'put the stones first' assumes that there is one way of doing so, one clear need. I don't see how that's to be determined. Whether at the time(s) they were erected, or now, they have multiple meanings, multiple relationships constructed in the complex interactions between people, place, stones, and whatever others there are who have an interest... And this includes all the political dimensions.
Clare, when you talk about the needs of the stones, what does that mean for you?
blessings Jenny
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 00 06:18:23 +0100
From: clareslaney [ clareslaney@mistral.co.uk ]
Subject: rights and responsibilities
Jenny said... ] That aside - to 'put the stones first' assumes that there is one way ] of doing so,
I disagree with that statement. Then asked...
] Clare, when you talk about the needs of the stones, what does that ] mean for you?
For me, it just means that the stones have a need to exist. Do they have a right to exist? That's questionable.
I'm against raves, festivals, big political or religious or spiritual or any other large gathering at the site *only* because of the numbers of people, and the increased likelyhood of damage to the site, not because of music or lifestyle. What constitutes "large" is open to debate.
That's *my* needs speaking.
*My* needs around Stonehenge are irrelevant because if the Stonehenge landscape is being used in a way that doesn't suit me I go somewhere else. I do have a personal desire for my great-grandchildren to be able to see and touch Stonehenge.
That's it!
People, my understanding of this list is that we're here to debate the most inclusive, responsible ways we know of working with the land and with the Stones. Do we have a duty to care for a site in a way that makes it available for the next x thousand years, or can we just use the site like any other commodity?
Brian said... ] So we can be proud to be the metaphor for the human condition, and the ] metaphor for the healing of that condition that has kept the whole planet in ] the jaws of warfare for thousands of years.
With which I really agree! Instead of fighting for territory via slash and burn we're discovering new ways to disagree, to respect different needs and still get what we need without going to war. For me, that partly means looking beyond my own desire.
love cs
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:56:13 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: rights and responsibilities
In reply to Clare I wonder is there is any evidence that celebrations and rituals have damaged the stones at all in recent history. Surely the real damage to the site has been done by E.H. with it`s underpass, carpark and fences and by the transport authorities with their development of the road network in the area. To attempt to preserve the stones by restricting access will return us once again to a confrontational situation with acess probably only being allowed to so called druids. Surely Stonehenge is one site that can take large numbers of people with relativly little impact. It is only 100 years since the inhabitants of Avebury were hiring out hammers and chisels to tourists so they could take home souveniers, still the stones have endured, by comparison the impact of the summer solstice celebrations is minimal.
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:42:25 -0400
From: freakout [ freakout@iac.net>
Subject: stonehenge on your browser
hello I found the following site which has skins for your browser and two are for stonehenge. they can be found under travel-landmarks-pg.4 or 5
http://hotbar.com/index.htm
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:25:11 +0100
From: "George ~ www.dicenews.com" [ george@dicenews.com>
Subject: Stonehenge Exhibition@ Big Green 2000
the cardboard stonehenge exhibition made by Barbara Bender and co will probably be at the Big Green at the end of July, at the bottom of the fake stone circle field, by the gate if its where it was last time and i think there's room for more stuff, i.e. laminates about stonehenge 2000 by you, o reader of this email
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:46:15 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: Stonehenge Exhibition@ Big Green 2000
Hi, The circle of stones aren`t fake `cos I climbed on them (whoops) and our mate Jayne had a go at carving one the year before last. By the way did any one see our ("Hardcore Carvers") cloth and wood "stones" by the entrance to Green Crafts at Pilton this year? Now they really were fake!
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:34:35 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: Stonehenge Exhibition@ Big Green 2000
The Big Green Gathering 2000, click below to visit their website. July 26th. to 30th. near Warminster Wiltshire. http://www.big-green-gathering.com/
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:31:17 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
Dear Mike,
The struggles of self doubt and self aggrandizement of some practitioners of magical craft can put one's teeth on edge, however it's got to be understood that these are areas for those individuals' growth in fulfilling a role that hopefully, is beneficial both for themselves and for the stones and for others present. If there was not the hope of this multiple benefit then there certainly wouldn't be much point to these attempts.
If the Summer Solstice Dawn continues through the years to enjoy a high demand from the public it may be very difficult for any structured events to take place within the access. I would be very sorry if this led to a kind of "secular triumphalism" among the masses with a rejection of religious and magical rights (and rites) on principle. For my part I'm waiting to see if there can be a fair sharing of the access by people with different purposes. Unless there was that kind of understanding I do not think any ritual can take place. That's to put it positively.
As we can speak freely on this newsgroup, I need to perhaps put it more bluntly. In the early years of liberation of Stonehenge I understand peoples' need to cling to the Stones they have been barred from for so many years. But if in the long term and on every occasion, people clung to the stones insisting on there only being an anarchic and structureless happening, this would be an act of tyranny. That act of "insisting" requires no conscious volition, only that everything else is crowded out by pressure of numbers. By the pure desire to be there.
In response to those possible difficulties, groups as diverse as the managers of the stones, informal stewards, druids and other ritual facilitators including myself, may devise plans for opening up the centre of the stones for some more structured activities.
I'd like this newsgroup to anticipate the evolution of this by carrying out thought expeiments on it.
-- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Our version of the story of the "headless man" who was buried (and some say, executed) at Stonehenge during the Iron Age (Roman to Saxon) era is to be found at http://www.greenleaf.demon.co.uk/stonecir.htm
The man who rediscovered and has been investigating this skeleton MIKE PITTS is appearing in a Channel 4 program about it this Monday (July 15th)
An independent documentary with our co-operation is also being made about the SPP Peace Stewards work this Solstice for Channel 4 and we will let you know as soon as we can when this is to be screened.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:55:59 +0100
From: "mark pryke" [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: RE: peace at stonehenge
Following the sucess of this years event there will inevitably be many more people attending next year all of whom will be wanting to celebrate the solstice in their own way. I find it hard to imagine how some of these people can be allowed the space and peace to carry out their rites within the stones without others having to be excluded and having their rights denied. The idea suggests some sort of spiritual hierarchy needing an authority to enforce it, a spiritual tyranny. Talk of "opening up" the centre of the stones brings a vision of big burly guards driving a wedge into an angry crowd at sunrise so that a procession of druids can carry out their arcane rites for the benefit of their followers, the tourists and the press. When "Arthur" tried to speak this year the people in the stones did not want to listen to someone dressed in a sheet pretending to be their king and shouted him down whereas Penny, the bagpipe player who had helped create the magic of the moment, was allowed to say a few words as she had gained some respect. Is this really "secular tyranny". What occured this year was inclusive not exclusive, anyone could have a go. Sharing as you see it is a fine concept but with thousands of people we would only get a few seconds each to regale the masses with our personal theories. Groups and individuals who wish to have a more structured event can of course do so in the area around the stones without coming into conflict with each other. At least the desire to just be there is as you say a pure desire.
Ommmmmmmmmmmmm
Yours Fraternally Mark Pryke Ceredigion CYMRU www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:34:11 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: peace at stonehenge
Dear Mike,
Thank you for contributing to this important debate.
In message [ LPBBJHNEECPPPCNADKBFOEPPCAAA.mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ] , mark pryke [ mark@woodpecker.demon.co.uk ] writes ] Following the sucess of this years event there will inevitably be many more ] people attending next year all of whom will be wanting to celebrate the ] solstice in their own way.
Seeing that the area of the stones was packed this year, and many people spent the entire access period there, with relatively little throughput, there might be a problem if many more people came, who would find they couldn't except with difficulty, get anywhere near the stones. Surely this could cause disappointment, danger of crushing and other problems.
Imagine that there are 10,000 people who would like to be there. That's not unreasonable, it might be 100,000 even. But let's say 10,000. 10,000 people cannot get into the stones. This is physically impossible. To say they all have a right to do so may be true, but their right can only be exercised by some kind of understanding, or some kind of clever management, limiting the average time that they each spend there.
If you say that 100,000 people all have the right to be present in the stones at the time of dawn, well then you do have a problem. What suggestions do you have for dealing with this?
] I find it hard to imagine how some of these ] people can be allowed the space and peace to carry out their rites within ] the stones without others having to be excluded and having their rights ] denied.
If there are more than a few hundred people in the stones other people are already having their rights denied by the pressure of numbers. The crowd of people is not an indivisible unit but consists of individuals and if they can't all get in the stones, there will be two crowds, a crowd inside and a crowd outside. At this stage stewarding arrangements to insist on an access path for emergencies etc. arises.
] The idea suggests some sort of spiritual hierarchy needing an ] authority to enforce it, a spiritual tyranny.
That would of course be undesirable. But if the majority of people simply want to be there in some passive sense, they deny the space to those who might want to do something creative or magical etc. The way in which the Peace Process works is by talking to people. If there is to be a space created within the stones it can only be done by dialogue, by agreement, by acceptance of the value of the work for which space is being made.
It could be that a conference which representives of the general public could attend, had hammered out a "program" in which such agreements were made. People who turned up and hadn't taken part in the process would be informed about it and then expected to co-operate, in the way that, this year, they co-operated about the access times.
Of course the "general public" does not consist only of hippies travellers and alternative people, indeed these could in some situations be a minority, but in any case the "general public" includes the residents of Amesbury, archaeologists and astronomers, and you name it. The conditions of access (crowding, noise, dope smoke) that some might find acceptable, would be inconvenient and unacceptable to others, who would thus be excluded.
If you, Mark, are in favour of an alternative community controlled Stonehenge, I think you should have the guts to say so, Mr and Mrs Wiltshire can come, but on your terms only.
] Talk of "opening up" the ] centre of the stones brings a vision of big burly guards driving a wedge ] into an angry crowd at sunrise so that a procession of druids can carry out ] their arcane rites for the benefit of their followers, the tourists and the ] press.
The reason that I am opening up the debate about consensual and more subtle (indirect) methods of crowd control is to avoid these ugly visions coming true at some future date.
You may be aware that there is more than one group of druids whose chiefs are bitter rivals. For any one group to have precedence would cause waves of horror waves amongst all the others. If any group of druids had precedence I'd be sick as a parrott on behalf of my own non- druidic religion which would want equal opportunities. Nevertheless some kind of "rotation" of ritual facilitators might in theory be devised.
I would be happiest with a small group who worked out some magical things to do at a special moment with the consent and with the presence of the crowd who would have to create a small amount of space for it to happen.
] When "Arthur" tried to speak this year the people in the stones did ] not want to listen to someone dressed in a sheet pretending to be their king ] and shouted him down whereas Penny, the bagpipe player who had helped create ] the magic of the moment, was allowed to say a few words as she had gained ] some respect.
Well I agree that people have to earn their place.
] Is this really "secular tyranny".
It could be, it depends on the "mood" of the crowd. Should access decisions be made at a conference beforehand or in a fraction of a second by the fickle mood of a crowd? The first can be unrealistic in practise, the second can be positively dangerous. The tension between the different uses of the stones is very real, we'd want the tension reduced by understanding by negotiation by debate by compromise and not just by a slick sound byte on the night.
] What occured this year was ] inclusive not exclusive, anyone could have a go.
Not true. A large number of potential activities were impossible because of the noise and pressure of numbers, which you are saying is going to get stronger at least in the next few years.
] Sharing as you see it is a ] fine concept but with thousands of people we would only get a few seconds ] each to regale the masses with our personal theories.
Of course that would not work (even with a talking stick).
But if everybody thought about it in terms of how they were sharing the space (instead of just clinging to it) more space might be created for more things.
] Groups and individuals ] who wish to have a more structured event can of course do so in the area ] around the stones without coming into conflict with each other. At least ] the desire to just be there is as you say a pure desire.
That's fine, however there are plenty of people who see that the stones were built in a special way to provide a facility with regard to subtle energy (without going into more detail about how that might work). It is this facility that I am suggesting has to be shared. How might it be shared between people enjoying the personal buzz it gives them, and groups who specialise in energy working (such as pagans and druids)?
I'm not even claiming that only the second group produce magical results. It's not true. You may say these are alternative methods of working, perhaps both equally valid in some circumstances.
What do other people think? ] ] Ommmmmmmmmmmmm ] ] ] Yours Fraternally ] Mark Pryke ] Ceredigion ] CYMRU ] www.woodpecker.demon.co.uk ] ] - ]
-- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:30:28 +0100
From: "Andy Burnham" [ aburnham@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: RE: peace at stonehenge
> authority to enforce it, a spiritual tyranny. Talk of "opening up" the > centre of the stones brings a vision of big burly guards driving a wedge > into an angry crowd at sunrise so that a procession of druids > can carry out > their arcane rites for the benefit of their followers, the
I would practically (but probably pointlessly) point this out: For the purposes of rituals involving the sunrise, the days either side of the actual solstice centre are almost unmeasureably different alignment wise. Our culture has an anal obsession with the date and time, it's unlikely that prehistoric people would have been fussed exactly which of the solstice days they used.
But this isn't about prehistory, it's about modern imaginations so I'll get me coat...
Cheers, Andy http://www.megalithic.co.uk
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:04:07 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Special times
Discussion on our stonehengepeace newsgroup has focussed on the current, and possibilities of future, overcrowding of the space within the stones and what if anything can be done about it.
Speaking from a magical viewpoint I tend to think of the Solstice as an energy watershed like a wave breaking or like an orgasm, and yes, that morning this year everyone was grinning like they were coming, it was very enjoyable to be there. Everybody wants that kind of energy.
So why Stonehenge? Well I think it was constructed to hold that kind of energy and make it available to humans, who are also constructed to use that kind of energy (but cannot hold it for very long). All the social implications, the international prestige of the site, the politics, the festivals, the past confrontations, the banning orders, the influence of the media, the peace process, all reinforce this natural anchoring process.
I rather think that like a full moon ritual, one does magic, that is taps the energies for an intent, slightly before the wave breaks, perhaps the night before, however with the present arrangements special access is not possible the night before when the public are arriving, in fact it's a no-no because it would give those magicians a perceived preference and raise the public's hackles.
So one is forced to seek a private ritual two or more days before, and the way this works, I wouldn't be surprised if every spot like that has already been booked up for the year 2001 by some druid or pagan group.
According to this theory the frenetic energy peaks around the solstice (Cancer ingress) and then is replaced by calmer female energy, as I say, just like an orgasm. A ritual after the peaking is more like a celebration that it has happened, if energy is drawn in it is a different, gentler "post-coital" type of energy.
The focus on the dawn nearest the solstice moment is a modern sociological thing, but probably mirrors in every respect what happened thousands of years ago. Somebody wants to be Sun King and display His Role at that moment in front of the masses. Certain Druid chiefs I could name apply and there are those of us determined not to let druids monopolise Stonehenge so we have to join the pantomime somewhere, and the idealistic anarchic masses are determined to level everything down according to modern theory nobody and nobody's obsession is any better than anyone else's. So they crowd the stones in pursuit of the kingship of the common human.
Now, it was asked, on the discussion group, what happened in the 1960s and 1970s? Was it ever crowded? Well I was there in 1984 when 30,000 to 50,000 people (according to who you believed) camped across the road, the stones (courtesy of the Department of the Environment) were open free of charge all day long, and there was no problem about access to the stones, except a confrontation of sorts at dawn.
A special access by druids was protected by crowd barriers and people got over the crowd barriers and overwhelmed the stones bringing the ritual to an end. Illustrating just what I was saying above. But in the afternoon hundreds of people, and a horse, certainly filled the stones to capacity and the Children of Albion held their daylight gathering including naked priests.
Now, if 100,000 come, how to we prevent overcrowding? (Arrgh, how are we to prevent people taking their clothes off! No that's a joke, I think!) We make sure that there are other activities in the surrounding landscape, legally negotiated on private land if the authorities are still too stuffy about it, and these activities meet all the needs of all the people, including techno for those who like it, rock 'n' roll for others, quiet camping for those who need it. Close to the stones, illuminated and hopefully heated at night, acoustic music and informative activities which the SPP, druid organisations etc. can organise.
All at a series of different properly managed and stewarded sites to which the police have access for monitoring purposes. This is the new 21st Century Gathering. It is clearly not "The Festival", good or bad, from the last century, it's completely different, because that had no managing, no stewarding, no overt police monitoring. Somehow we've got to get that across to -both- sides of the battle line. And that it's a practical "how do you manage it?" problem that needs discussion with the landholders themselves. -- George Firsoff
"Honour be to those who Honour give"
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:10:59 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk ]
Subject: Re: Disscusion area
Please stop pretending that you understand my life and please stop trying to manage it, it offends.
I am a grown up person and if I am to have any life at all ever, I have too do LESS not MORE.
That's my final position and not a subject for public debate.
In message [ e2.7462917.26a5abc4@aol.com ] , Visiondans@aol.com writes ] George, its a conversation that keeps you in a place that is less powerful ] than is possible for you, that says"the universe is finite - i don't have the ] time or resources" ] ] To be even more effective with your projects, it will benefit you to make the ] time (about 3 minutes) to got to the stonehenge page and post your info, and ] check the latest version of the page also, the same way that I do with yours. ] ] The step of making the time to do this will show up in other areas of your ] life where the belief "I don't have the time" is also limiting your potential. ] ] :) ] Brian ]
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT)
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(StoneForm) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Memory of a free festival could it ever be the same? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (From) chris sandman (Email) chrisalgarve@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
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(StoneForm) Could you tell me if there is a "new Stonehenge" being built? I have heard of this but can't find any information. Do you know of this?
(From) talking@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:05:00 EDT
From: Visiondans@aol.com
Subject: reconcilliation
Over the past yaer I have had contact with many individuals whose lives have been radically distorted because of their experiences during the '80's around the stonhenge issue.
I hear again and again from different people the same stories - personal accounts of the brutality and abuse of power that took place, especially the battle of the Beanfield. Experiences that have led to a deep disillusionment in our society and that show up now in the attitudes of individuals certain segments of our society.
Abuse to defensless people, mothers and children. I am horrified to know that all of this took place - I was abroad and had no idea.
For there to be any reconcilliation in any relationship, there has to be an acknowlegment of behavior, and an apology from a sincere place.
When I first got involved in the stonehenge issue, I didn't realise the depth of the issue. A whole generation whose spirit was broken -many left England because they felt there was nothing left here for them -- SAD indeed.
During the negotiations for this summer's event, there was much doubt as to the sincerety of the police and EH in their negotions. Many thought it to be a trap.
After seeing first hand for myself I believe that there is total sincerety on the part of the police and EH to leave that digusting period behind. I believe that for this to be done the acknowlegment of the events and behavior must happen for those individuals to complete their healing process.
At the same time there was a cause an effect, the nature of the Stonehenge Festival back then and its impact on the local people must also be acknowleged as a factor that led to the action - reaction cycle.
As we move through this millenium period, I would like to see us develop a conversation around healing and reconcilliation. While "free and open access for all" is a great step forward, it is only what it was always supposed to be. During the next 12 months I want us to work on that "acknowledgment" issue. :) Brian
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:11:28 EDT
From: luvluvver@aol.com
Subject: the importance of taking responsibilty
I understand and embrace the new attitude.
I understand and embrace the new attitude.
What I am saying is that for all the individuals whose lives have been distorted by the events of the past 15 years, aknowledgement and apologies from the authorities, is what is necessary for their healing to be complete
The fact that it is not happenning anymore, and that it was an extinct government, is not sufficient - real people, many of them young at the time were impacted by those actions - it is their lives that are still effected/traumatised by those events aknowlegment and apology is the way forward.
sweeping it under the carpet only leaves space for it to happen again at the whim of whoever runs the show at any particular time.
it is no different from any other form of abuse :) Brian
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:37:00 +0100
From: George Firsoff [ george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [ stonehengeroundtable ] aknowlegment of the abuse of power
Basically I agree with this. However when I raise this matter, people on both sides feign disinterest, saying "it's a long time ago now, we've moved beyond that, it isn't necessary, we'd never be able to find the files..." all kinds of excuses.
Firstly, there was an unholy conspiracy to step and go beyond the law. It was like a disease that manifested from the very top of society, with corrupt and lying politicians, go-for-it businessmen, to the very bottom, with the rebellious miners and the convoy. Thatcher said there was no society, only individuals. Therefore "Go for it" was the word, don't worry about little impedances like the law, wet bleatings about common responsibilities, if you could get away with it, it was fine, even noble as showing "entrepreneurial spirit".
When travellers were called "mediaeval brigands" by politicians it was almost a faint form of praise. After all, the great aristocratic families were founded by "mediaeval brigands" who siezed land because they wanted to. Later their descendants enclosed the land driving off the common peasants (the peasants who farmed in commons) to starvation and destitution. This 1980s battle over land even was a historical continuation of what anthropologists like to call "contestation". The unfinished business of The People and The Land, and the so-called Landowners, who are frightened because their title is historically and morally unsound.
From the point of view of some people in the underground at the time they did not see themselves as part of society or as members of the country of Great Britain at all. They counted themselves as outlaws. This fell a bit short of sedition as they had no real plan to take over the state. But many of them (us) saw themselves as separate from the state, an independent tribe, not concerned about the state's silly laws. On this level they were the "lawless anarchists" the authorities were frightened of.
When authorities tried to stop festivals by digging ditches the convoy got their shovels out and filled the ditches in again. The police did not know what to do because they were expected to police a community that did not consent to them. This I think is how the violence and illegality of the Beanfield came about. From the constabulary's viewpoint, it was an emergency, a matter of desperation. They felt if they could not stop these people they would lose all credibility. So they stopped them any way they could.
What I am saying is that both police and many travellers do not want this fascinating story to be told, they had entered an unholy conspiracy both of them, to go beyond the law. Those who thought of themselves as outlaws could no longer complain their civil rights were being abused, they could not say "I'm a citizen, I've paid taxes, I deserve better than this". They plainly saw the nation was corrupt and had nothing to offer them. But they'd painted themselves into a corner. Opened themselves up to be trashed. And the redneck culture which was deep into the police force (these were not people they were dirty scroungers, drug dealers corrupting our children etc.) were happy to oblige. It became an undeclared civil war.
The second problem with Brian's project is that Blair's government would not want to open up the Thatcher years to scrutiny. They're too much in debt politically to the appropriately named "Baroness". Get the ear of the Archbishop of Canterbury you might make progress. I think it might in theory be possible to mobilise the churches. Then the media, collectively, are so deeply implicated in what happened. How can they be mobilised to support a national renewal of conscience? I'd see them as far too cynical for that. They'd be no help, they'd only come on your side when they saw you were already winning.
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To: [ info@toolkits.org.uk ]
Subject: [ diggers350 ] New - The Activists Media Toolkit
Date: 06 September 2000 02:58
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(StoneForm) i feel this great monolith should be enjoyed by everyone and not sanctioned off by anyone. Stonehenge was here long before any of us. If anything should be stopped it should be the highway that is planned to be constructed around SH(stonehenge). The vibrations from the traffic will cause greater damage to the site than just a few people gathering there to worship and ooooooohhhhh touching the stones. Never the less it is a place that should be preserved and if anything, a security fence should be put up and the gatherings suupervised by those who show a true passion for this great monolith. (From) chris kovacs (Email) Dn2erthman@aol.com (subject) stonecam.htm-Form
The latest word (11:30, 7th Sep 2000) from Exodus is ...
the site is going to be absolutely full. When they say local, they're really sorry, but they mean Luton and Bedfordshire. There just isn't enough room to fit everybody in ... "It's a nice problem to have"
So there you go. Please don't cause a nuisance over this, and they'll be able to do it again next year ...
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Letter from Bruce Hannah, The Exodus Collective The festival is on, but before you jump up and down and grab your skins and sleeping bags, PLEASE READ ON AND TAKE NOTE. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AT WHAT IS A CRUCIAL MOMENT FOR US, AND IN THE HISTORY OF THE FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO HOLD FREE PARTIES AND FESTIVALS.
As you probably know, this year's event is our first to be granted a licence after eight years of fighting for the right to hold free events - free to get in, free of unnecessary policing costs, free of land hire costs, free of high priced grub, free of bad attitudes, free of extortionate licensing fees - free of money grabbing in general. The problem has always been that they refused to cut a licence to fit our culture, and we REFUSE to cut the culture to fit a licence, so something had to give - and something did.
Andrew Howland, grandson of our local aristocrat the Duke of Bedford, agreed to set aside land for free community use in return for an end to our use of certain sections of 'his' land for community dances. This was a big hurdle to get over, and it now sets a powerful and sensible precedent for other sites throughout the whole country.
Then the police, instead of making the usual demands for huge fees finally accepted that we can police our own space far more effectively than they ever could, and that they are not needed on site. This was only possible in light of our unarguable track record of eight years of trouble-free events, and it meant that another major cash-based hurdle was cleared, so when the licensing authority virtually waived their fees as well, we could see light at the end of a long dark tunnel.
SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
The problem is that Free the Spirit events are so good that EVERYONE wants to go, and we have to make it clear from the off that this is a regional event for local people. The site is small and camping space is seriously limited, and we don't want to end up like Castlemorton, so we're not letting off the venue details for this reason. We agreed to move the date of the festival in the first place because we need to secure a problem-free event this year, in order to prove our ability to stage free events without getting swamped. Once we've proved the case, we're in a position to stage FIVE regional August Bank Holiday events next year.
FIVE REGIONAL Free the Spirit FestivalS - all at the same time - in AUGUST 2001.
This is now available because free community use of land, community self-policing and a non-profit licence fee is a victory for common sense, so everyone can now use this example to make the case for common sense in their area too. Although we are gutted at having to refuse all of the sounds, bands, stallholders etc who have asked to come to our event from faraway places, this is not the end of the story. We are now talking to people in Manchester, Coventry, Newcastle and Bristol with a view to linking up after this year's event to work towards 2001, so stay in touch and get involved in organising your regional Free the Spirit festival.
THINK ABOUT IT. IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THE FREE THE SPIRIT FESTIVAL WILL BECOME TOO BIG TO BE COMFORTABLE OR VIABLE, AND NONE OF US WILL BE ABLE TO GO.
Therefore, we need to ask you to respect the bigger picture and to not come if you are not local. Short-term pain for long-term gain, because next year is your year.
Even if you are local and the festival is full when you arrive, please be ready to go home instead of parking up or driving around the area, as this will only give ammunition to those who want to cause problems for future events.
Thanks for your help.
JAH LIVE,
Exodus
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From: [ moneypenny@mi5.uk.com ]
To: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: Re: exodus was good
Date: 12 September 2000 01:35
] but sadly Phil Planet ] of Back To The Planet didnt play because they didnt ] tell Reknaw there was a midnight curfew and she was due at 2.30 ] a.m., ow.
oh yes she did ... i was stumbling around the "South London" tent, and heard her dulcet tones ...
blinding weekend
i think the date for voting registration is 10 october but nobody seems to be campaigning or providing information for travellers and NFAs (no Fixed Abodes) to register to vote- if Jack Straw's demonising us then he wont
- perhaps some of you academics with computers and telephones and postal delivery and self-organisation will get a campaign organised for the elections in 2005
because if people arent offered a chance to vote then we wont have no respect for the laws they make at Westminster-
but I havent read all your emails- im in a cybercafe in london now
bye bye george
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From: george [ dicegeorge@london.com ]
To: traveller-net@mailbase.ac.uk
cc: george@dicenews.com
Subject: New Travellers / New Age Travellers
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:38:05 +0100
i saw a debate about naming here some weeks back.
I gatecrashed a meeting setting up Travellers Aid Trust in NCCL Borough High Street some time between 1985 and 1995 ish where I suggested they replace the phrase "New Age Traveller" with "New Traveller" because the phrase "New Age" involves astrological and Hopi Indian philosophies of the changing of cosmic ages and homeopathy and crystals and UFOs making cropcircles most of which I dont believe in
though now on reflection I like the poetry and cosmicness of "New Age Traveller"
george
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From: "Dice George" [ george@dicenews.com ]
To: [ jesterdream@hotmail.com ]
cc: [ george@dicenews.com ]
Subject: lfk2000sept14 - first draft
Date: 14 September 2000 05:12
== Letter From Karelia Thu14Sept2000 ==
June 2000 some of us walked
as a family from London to Stonehenge
(but nobody walked every step).
Then half a night and dawn inside -
it was wet and windy, good, cos
loads more people could have been a
problem clearing the Stones in time
for English Heriticage to open their
turnstiles at 9 a.m. as a-greed ...
Me, I tin-whistled and danced to the
real live drumming - I policed myself.
Starman Bowie at Pilton was great,
but I missed the Wailers, and Big Andy
guitaring after PAIN on Tuesday...
Big Green Gathering Stonehenge
Exhibition bus, and Saturday night
fluting with Stone drummers four hours,
Sunday 12volt DG Lightshow @ RinkyDink
with Nik, ShakShak, + Kangaroo Moon.
Angel broke her leg but Sunch was OK.
Little Elkie got killed by a car:
yet another stupidly sad accident.
Craig + Martine had another baby girl.
2 weeks at Cauldren Camp, babysat +
fluted and lit and sorted 99% of our
Rainbow Circle Politics re: a certain
person's infamous rumours and animus..
Then more dancing at Exodus Fest.
Next year... hang on, there's another
Solstice in December - I want more
Braziers and drums and mutual respect
and love and understanding (not that
I understand half of what's going on
- it's a mad world!)
your cousin, www.dicegeorge.com
orange phone 07970 378572 ====
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
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What websites should I add or remove?
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
(StoneForm) ----------------------------------------------------------- Done me first site in DreamWeaver. Its that 'Vanity of Faith' comicstrip I'd been working on. www.symbolstone.org/albion/vanity.htm What d'you reckon?
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From: "King Arthur Pendragon" [pendragon@warband.org.uk]
To: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com]
Subject:
Date: 22 September 2000 09:21
AN OPEN LETTER TO MEMBERS OF THE PAGAN COMMUNITY From the Chairman of the Council of British Druid Orders 8th October 1999
Many readers will have been sucked in by the Press's coverage, and that unfortunately also includes that of the Pagan Press, of the troubles surrounding Stonehenge and other related issues.
Pagan groups throughout the land, and beyond, are galvanised into a "Them and Us" situation. The "Them" in this instance, are the great unwashed, the so called New-age Travellers (which it should be remembered was a media invention, that led Margaret Thatcher to brand them "Medieval Brigands" and thereby begin a legislative campaign of what can only be termed cultural cleansing) and the "Us" being the respected face of Paganism.
We now sit on our high horses proclaiming our good intentions and deriding those of the so called trouble-makers who spoil it for the rest of us. Yes, it's all right to let us genuine Pagans onto the Sacred Sites but let's keep the others out. Sounds bit like the Christians saying "Lets let the vicar in but ban the congregation".
The fact that we are all there for the same reasons seems to have escaped our attention. Yes, there will always be an element of trouble-makers at Sacred Sites, no more or less than their will always be that same element at football matches or political rallies and alike. We Pagans, should be the last people to tar all with the same brush or to dismiss out of hand other peoples' personal and spiritual beliefs for being at and attending a Sacred Site.
For those of "Us" who think of themselves as Priest Caste I would say Stand and Fight for your Faith and those who believe in it and lead by example. And for those of us who believe we are all simply believers I would say, like the so called priests, do not fall into the trap of thinking they are all alike - United We can stand, Divided we can not...
I personally have been attending Stonehenge, Avebury and other Sacred Sites for many years, as well as a number of political rallies and environmental protest sites, and if there is one thing I have learned, its the strength of commitment and belief across the board. Do not judge on appearance alone and do not brand all as like. Because some one wears their Robes in public and with pride, it does not make them a better person inside than someone who does not; nor does it make them a better Pagan or necessarily mean that their belief is that much stronger.
And all the time we are Bickering amongst ourselves Church and State are laughing all the way to the abyss.
Many of those we think of as trouble-makers are the very same Warriors we field in Battle protecting the Mother with their lives and risking imprisonment for their beliefs, which are invariably our beliefs also.
It is long over time to dismount from our proverbial high horses and stop being so bloody sanctimonious. It really doesn't matter who's gang is better than who's, for at the end of the day we are all in the same gang the Mother's. And it really doesn't mater if Our way is better than Their way, for again there is only one way, the Mother's. And it really doesn't matter who looks better than who, because to the Mother we're all beautiful.
No Coven, No Order, No Group has the monopoly on what is right and what is not. None of us can truly say "we are right and they are wrong", all we can say with certainty is that this works for Us and this works for Them.
If we stop looking at the differences that divide us and instead look to the similarities that unite us, then perhaps there is hope. Hope that one day we can unite for the sake of the Mother we hold so dear. That day is here - look around you - time and place. Why else do you think you have been called, for your own amusement?
The Time is Now, Stand and Unite or divide and fall, it's your choice.....
Yours in the Heat of Battle, the Peace of the Grove and the Sacred Space Between. King Arthur Pendragon Chairman Elect C.B.D.O.
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It was only a small stone, I know that doesn't make it any less important than any of the others, and I'm sure that it wasn't damaged. I understand the feeling about and behind not climbing on the stones, they look fabulous with their full compliment of litchens and mosses, but it does sound a bit like the laying down of rules. Look what happened 16 years ago! I really don't see that anybody has the right to dictate what should or shouldn't happen around a very sacred but never the less public site which has stood the test of time for 4,000 years or more despite all human involvement.
I wonder has anyone asked the stones what they think. Probably. If you want to use the story go ahead, maybe you could replace the bit about riding the stone with something involving levitation which afforded me the spectactular view of the centre form three feet above the crowds. Oh by the way, I wonder if you know who the young lady with the bagpipes was and who organised all of that, if anyone? Eg. Where did the light show come from?
Thanks, Johnny Patterson
[johncpatterson@freeuk.com]
P.S. How do you feel about licking the stones? I saw plenty of people doing that.
From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: spam Date: 03 October 2000 01:17 George-did you set up a list called warpseed? If so you appear to have been spamming a lot of people who didn't subscribe and are having their mailboxes flooded (including me) I suggest you fix it ASAP SVP Heather Information is a weapon-arm yourself, visit www.teknopunx.co.uk thoroughly disaproved of by most leading politicians "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi
From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: SORTITOUT Date: 03 October 2000 01:30 Untill you sort this out I'm returning all warpweird shit to you O.K.?-HOW DO YOU LIKE IT? Information is a weapon-arm yourself, visit www.teknopunx.co.uk thoroughly disaproved of by most leading politicians "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi
From: "Steve Walters" [Steve.Walters@nzrugby.co.nz] To: [warpseed-interactive@smartgroups.com] Subject: RE: [Warpseed-interactive] Yahoo! Auto Response Date: 03 October 2000 05:14 Yeah, I'm with Lola! Who are you and how are you going to see me when I live in New Zealand??? -----Original Message----- From: Lola Brown [mailto:lollypop@dircon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 15:24 To: warpseed-interactive@smartgroups.com Subject: Re: [Warpseed-interactive] Yahoo! Auto Response Who are you and why should I care who you are? on 10/2/00 6:29 PM, sneakysally@yahoo.com at sneakysally@yahoo.com wrote: ] As you may or may not know, I'm on Phish Tour right now. See you when I get ] back!!!!!!!!!! ] ] -------------------- ] ] ] Original Message: ] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:28:36 +0100 (GMT+01:00) ] From: george@dicenews.com ] To: warpseed-interactive@smartgroups.com ==================================== http://www.smartgroups.com - making online groups happen ==================================== http://www.smartgroups.com - making online groups happen
From: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com] To: [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] Cc: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: noRe: spam Date: 03 October 2000 14:24 no i didnt i was in the cybercafe in london and got it first why did you spam me?
From: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com] To: [thewarpexperience-owner@smartgroups.com] Cc: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: WARPSPAM - HOW TO STOPIT Date: 04 October 2000 03:18 ] ](please dont reply to this) ] ][b] h02:55Wed04october [/b] in cybercafe- ]I got spammed by someone because ]they got spammed by the [big] WARPSPAM [/BIG] ]disaster and they thought it was my fault ]but it was someone else's mistake- ]I just sent one email. ]and recieved dozens at three addresses aaaaaargh ] ][br] To stop warpspam you have to register with ][a href="http://www.smartgroups.com/"] http://www.smartgroups.com/"] [/a], ]and change your email delivery to DIGEST or WEBONLY. To delete lots of emails without POP downloading them got to [a href="dicenews.com" target="_blank"] dicenews [/a] , choose Twigger, logon, select lots of boxes and delete them. ] ]the warp webapge should give apologies and help but it doesnt ] ]~~~~ http://www.phreak.co.uk/stonehenge/psb/george.htm ~~~~~
From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: sorry Date: 03 October 2000 14:13 I am so so so sorry George, I aught to be taken out and shot for it. I was extremely hungover and jumped to a stupid wrong conclusion. There is no excuse, it was just plain shitty and I am very, very ashamed, I've felt guilty all day, so guilty I should have apologised before but felt too guilty(?) You of all people did not deserve that I know you are a lovely person and I'm not, I'm a bitch and hate myself when I do things like that. Please accept my heartfelt apology, I am just stupid and nasty when I am hungover and spammed. Call it Spam Rage, I hope I never get it again. All my love and very best wishes to you. Please forgive me Heather Information is a weapon-arm yourself, visit www.teknopunx.co.uk thoroughly disaproved of by most leading politicians "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi
From: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com] To: [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] Cc: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: sorry Date: 04 October 2000 02:23 dont be silly we all make mistakes and now you make me feel guilty just think how much shit is being thrown at brian or whoever set the warp email up someone next to me is nick ecotorts swearing about all his warpspam or is it all brians scam to get more material to make the warp go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: sorry Date: 04 October 2000 16:01 Had to send this, and a copy to u2, chaosrulesok-see http://www.chaos-works.com/index2.html love heather Please send Brian my absolute forgiveness, as with a lot of people I was the victim of SPAMRAGE- a dreadfull condition and quite unneccessary- we should all be far more tolerant when people make mistakes,he now has my heartfelt sympathy as the reaction, in retrospect, was really over the top.I expect he has had a far more hard time about it than he actually deseved. At the end of the day I made some very nice cyberpals because of his error and would not only like to thank him and forgive him gladly, but subscribe to warpseed and will encourage others to do so. As an honors degree student in Internet and communications technology student I appreciate the huge difficulties involved when dealing with these matters and really aught to have been more understanding at the time. My best wishes to you all in all your endevours Heather
Date: 04 October 2000 10:11 Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.dicenews.com/ name: Rambo email: my email is mayday2000uk@hotmail.com - The site email address is webmaster@anarchyaction.org website: www.anarchyaction.co.uk - Just one click away from all the action! comments: I just like the site and think you should add a link (please) Thank you
From: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com]
To: [dicenews@egroups.com]
Subject: [dicenews] updated dicegeorge homepage
Date: 04 October 2000 02:35
hello,
ive just updated my homepage,
seeing how this thingy works,
i wont send these emails more than once a week
ok
george.
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From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: SORTITOUT Date: 06 October 2000 02:57 And quite right he was too, I couldn't be more embarassed that you're still getting horribles, they'll go away now, I promise, the voices in my head told me so. H ----- Original Message ----- From: George - www.dicenews.com (orange) [dicegeorge@orange.net] To: Heather [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:22 AM Subject: Re: SORTITOUT ] ghandi said ] an eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind ] ] ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ----- Original Message ----- ] From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] ] To: [george@dicenews.com] ] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:36 AM ] Subject: SORTITOUT ] ] ] ] Untill you sort this out I'm returning all warpweird shit to you ] ] O.K.?-HOW DO YOU LIKE IT? ] ] Information is a weapon-arm yourself, visit www.teknopunx.co.uk thoroughly ] ] disaproved of by most leading politicians ] ] "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then ] ] they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi ] ] ] ] ]
From: "rebecca cheetham" [bigbex@hotmail.com] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: stonehenge textiles Date: 09 October 2000 05:59 I havent finished yet and it has changed a lot since my original thinking, im not sure how much i am going to talk about stonehenge as such , but i am mentioning a number of modern day pilgram sites, which is where i will talk about stonehenge. I will let you know when its done. I hope you're ready for the winter.... i'm not... what with leaky roof and malfunctioning burner!... Good Luck. Bex. ]From: "George - www.dicenews.com \(orange\)" [dicegeorge@orange.net] ]Reply-To: "George - www.dicenews.com \(orange\)" [george@dicenews.com] ]To: [bigbex@hotmail.com] ]Subject: stonehenge textiles ]Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:04:37 +0100 ] ]have you writ your stonehenge thesis? ]please put it on the web ]and give us the link... ] ] ]~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ]~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ]~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ]
From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] To: "George ~ www.dicenews.com ~ HM3)" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: word docs Date: 10 October 2000 23:51 ] but what are the 17 year old nerds going to put on the internet? ] which stupid disco techno beat is trendier than which? ] Alas, I expect so, in between which games you can kill the most people with the fanciest weapons and where to download everything in the world for free. These are the guys that will be earning the big bucks for British Aerospace, the oil giants and coke and McDonalds designing their websites in the future, BBRRR-sends a chill down my spine' But I'm class rep, with my sights set on the student union, I'll educate them if it kills me, I'll have them picketing McDonalds and burning their Nike trainers........... ] the three most important things on a website design are: ] 1: content ] 2: content ] 3: content ] so lets stick poems up the web ] its an art form It is, it is, and I've only got one, carefully hidden at the bottom of my anti-nuke page. I shall rectify that soon with my music page-starting with lots of dicesqueeks!-feel free to send me lots of poems anytime ] ] no you dont want a stupid petrol bus like mine ] you gotta life ] choose your prison cell.. is that our only choice ] when the ship sinks i'll be playing in the band.. ] ] ha ha ] Its not a stupid bus, its a lovely mobile prison cell and I DO want one ] but what do you think of ] repetitive squeaks Should be number one, music any old hippy would die for ] and how can i get a million dollars for it ] By giving good head to the right record producer?:) (sorry, how crude, all I know about the music industry is that it is full of bullshit, nasty talentless middle men sucking the creative people dry, shafting them and stabbing them in the back) babylon! ah but if i did then id be really in the shit.. Its true its true, stay as sweet as you are and buy a lottery ticket occasionally ] ] remember they can only wind you up if you're clockwork ] and other such slogans- ] ] hurray for anne widdecombe- ] she's exploded their hipocrisy! YAHOOOOOOO!- I got inundated with rants about that appaulling -"its a different trip for those who live in housing schemes" gaff, I'm sure the only thing that could possibly make anyone any happier is if she gets sacked and struck down with M.S. ]gotta go learn Java............... love Heather ] ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ----- Original Message ----- ] From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] ] To: "George ~ www.dicenews.com ~ HM3)" [george@dicenews.com] ] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:40 PM ] Subject: Re: word docs ] ] ] ] dunno, I'm a 41 year old dunce in my 3rd week of 1st year with 30 17 year ] ] old nerds that run rings round the lecturers never mind me!- I'm in it for ] ] the grant, the buzz, the social life and what I learn is a bonus!!!!!!!!!- ] ] hopefully one day I'll have a bus like yours, a lifestyle like yours, a ] ] lappie and mobile and b HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!In the mean time I may as well ] do ] ] something to keep sane while I'm stuck in one place cos my kids (12 and ] 15) ] ] insist on their right to get GCEs or whatever state education bollox ] they're ] ] insisting on in preference to a life of protest camps and alternative ] ] lifestyle-fucking rebels, bring back hanging I say!-send them back up the ] ] chimneys-whaeres the parent line for abused parents with fascist ] ] kidsAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH ] ] lots of love (honest-I'm a peacefull hippy at heart as long as everyone ] gets ] ] off my back and outa ma face!) ] ] kisses and cuddles ] ] Heather ] ] ----- Original Message ----- ] ] From: George ~ www.dicenews.com ~ HM3) [george@dicenews.com] ] ] To: Heather [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] ] ] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 1:05 AM ] ] Subject: word docs ] ] ] ] ] ] ] your the internet student- ] ] ] isnt RTF a lot safer than DOC, ] ] ] ie no macro viruses or whatever ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ] ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ] ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ] ] ----- Original Message ----- ] ] ] From: "Heather" [heather@teknopunx.co.uk] ] ] ] To: "global action scotland" [globalactionscotland@egroups.com] ] ] ] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:53 PM ] ] ] Subject: cos i'm useless ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] forgot to attach it, didn't i-here it is now (D'OH) ] ] ] ] (Just got an amazing call to global action, but it was so lengthy I ] ] ] formated ] ] ] ] it in word so it could be printed out and published, or just easier ] read ] ] ] by ] ] ] ] those of us with dicky eyesight that prefer to print out before ] reading. ] ] ] ITS ] ] ] ] ACE!!!!!!!-get it circulated ] ] ] ] cheers ] ] ] ] Heather ] ] ] ] ps I know attachments are a bi infra dig, but I don't do it willy ] nilly, ] ] ] ] honestly, you'd can't read it in word or really hate attachments its ] at ] ] : ] ] ] ] http://www.onelist.com/community/globalaction-news i think ] ] ] ] pps if you haven't a clue wot I'm on about (I've posted this to ] everyone ] ] I ] ] ] ] know) check out the articles on www.teknopunx.co.uk/antiwb.html) ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] Information is a weapon-arm yourself, visit www.teknopunx.co.uk ] ] thoroughly ] ] ] ] disaproved of by most leading politicians ] ] ] ] "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then ] ] ] ] they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]
From: "gregory sams" [greg@xaos.demon.co.uk] To: "George ~ www.dicenews.com ~ HM3)" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: stonehenge article dream creation Date: 11 October 2000 03:45 Its about 80k, so that is probably why - it got through to Kif, who does my webwork, and he says it will up up at chaos-works.com in a day or two, under Other Writing. Will attach the text to this anyway - picture must have been the problem. Greg ] i got this but i got no files ] and if you send huge files i wont open them ] cos im trying to use my mobile phone connection ] 9600 baud ] but more like 1000 bytes per minute ] aaargh ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ----- Original Message ----- ] From: "gregory sams" [greg@xaos.demon.co.uk] ] To: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [george@dicenews.com] ] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:31 PM ] Subject: Re: stonehenge article dream creation ] ] ]] I just sent the files to you George, and they came back with an ] undelivered ]] message. Not sure whether it was the file content or something else. Let ] me ]] know if you get this. ]] ]] Greg ]] ]] ]] on 8/10/00 09:43 pm, George - www.dicenews.com (orange) at ]] dicegeorge@orange.net wrote: ]] ]]] hi' ]]] when in london i saw a dream creation ]]] with a article and collage by you about stonehenge summer ]]] is it on the web, ]]] if so where, ]]] or please email them to me ]]] for our archives ]]] ]]] ]]] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ]]] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ]]] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ]]] ]]STONEHENGE - FREE AT LAST
I had seen estimates of anything from 10,000 to 100,000 as the expected turnout at Stonehenge for Solstice Y2K - the first time that these ancient stones would be open to the public in fourteen years. I had always cherished my childhood memories of clambering over these ancient stones, unencumbered by fences and unlittered by underpasses, a nearby carpark and the usual tourist facilities.
There had been an early meeting at the Drome, called by Arthur Pendragon, who had played a constant part in the negotiations with English Heritage. They had agreed to open it on condition that it was self-policed - by us. They wanted, within the sacred stones, no fires, no dogs ,no amplified music, and no long-haired people (just joking on the last one). .The stones would be open from 11pm to 7:30 am, at which time we had agreed to vacate it, though there was much discussion on just how to do this.
We had left London early to avoid the rush, but the only congestion en route was getting out of London.. There were just a handful of police dotted about Stonehenge perimeter as we arrived, and no evident laybys full of police vans. Three coppers waved us into the large field allotted for parking/assembly and now it was our guys now in the yellow jackets, smiling as they waved us through. There was a palpable feeling of peace and magic in the air. One just knew that this was going to happen.
And it did . .At 11pm we entered the Stonehenge field, not through the tacky tunnel, but through a hand-held Druid archway and across the field from the west. It was a charged and emotional moment as everyone went and touched these ancient stones - soaking up the millennia of vibrations stored therein. As the area filled, we were filled with the feeling that this was a turning point of some sort - a re-union with the spirit of Albion unmarred by conflict with the Roman-trained authorities who have been suppressing such activity for far too long.
The night was historic - a gathering of special people who had made the pilgrimage despite the accurate forecasts of cloud cover and rain. The stones were filled, and there were only a few cases of bad-vibers who never managed to change the euphoric mood of those assembled. For a change, the few would-be troublemakers were not in uniform.
Many performance artists were there, with fire and drums and dance. The Samba Band, veterans of numerous direct action parties, were weaving their way with some difficulty through the crowd. It was not an organized event by any stretch of the imagination and more seemed to be happening at times outside the stones than within, where a large crowd stood, sat, and milled about.
The occasional white-frocked druid was evident, but on this sacred occasion their main efforts seemed devoted to stopping people from climbing stones or having fire within them. The main policing, however, was done by the elements, ,with a steady light drizzle much of the night. This quickly weeded out those with the wrong attitude and brought the numbers down to perhaps a few thousand for sunrise. As this special moment came and went it was impossible to visually detect just where the sun was rising , such was the even greyness of the cloud cover.
By 6:30, an hour before the agreed departure, there were just a few hundred of us remaining, most now within the circle of the stones. A small group of musicians were putting out a spirited tune , led by a young woman named Penny playing the pipes. She was awesome, and for the first time in the evening the crowd was gathered into a unified and co-ordinated experience as we all danced within the stones.
The sun finally made an appearance, cheered by the crowd, and continued with its blessing as blue patches raced across the sky.. Arthur mounted a small stone around 7am to announce that we should start leaving soon, to meet the deadline. Penny piped him down, the band kept playing and the people continued to dance. As 7:30 approached a few more police came into the area, looking relaxed. One woman, told them we were running a little behind schedule to compliant nods. Arthur was starting to look a little nervous, but then the rain returned and we all left quietly and quickly - wallowing in that privileged-to-have-been-there feeling.
From: "Tony Mason" [tonymason@wootton66.freeserve.co.uk] To: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: stonehenge Date: 11 October 2000 16:52 hope you got that, or anything for that matter If your in wilts thur & Fri could use a hand to launch an eco protest. the idiots are trying to put an access road through a medieval hedge and footpath. Circa 1200. Looks like LUCKY me's gonna be in the papers again. you think i would of learnt not to stick my head above the parapet by now Did you make Stonehenge for Equinox, spent the two days walking the hills above Avebury looking for the SITE, and at the stone circle at Winterbourne Bassett. Listened to your repetitive Squeaks, playing with the drummers is definately the right approach, and not easy, self centred ****** 88888888 ~~~~~~~~. cheers Anthony Godess be with you --------------------------------------- From: "Tony Mason" [tonymason@wootton66.freeserve.co.uk] To: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: stonehenge Date: 11 October 2000 16:27 Sorry about that, forgot you were using a laptop. This is the basic text of the protest I am launching on Friday. I spent all that time making the text fancy and drawing a map and all I can send you is this. I DONT KNOW WHY I BOTHER.....Salisbury bypass is KICKING off as well soon. If your in wiltshire on thurs or friday could do with some help. Did you make Stonehenge for the equinox, I spent it walking the downs above avebury searching for THE site, and at the stone circle at Winterbourne Bassett. I listened to your repetitive squeaks, playing with the drummers is definately the KEY. I liked the approach, certainly innovative. cheers Anthony If you cant receive this message by a computer that is not totally shitMEDIEVAL FOOTPATH THREATENED BY ROAD
The beautiful 'Rowdedow' footpath that runs along the school fields is threatened with destruction. An access road will be torn through the heart of this mature woodland as part of a link between the new school and the new playing fields.
The Rowdedow footpath begins in Wood Street and runs past Victory Row, it follows the edge of the escarpment along Springfield Crescent and all along the edge of the school fields. It is lined on one side by an ancient Hazel hedge and by mature scrub woodland on the other.
There is a historic document Circa that refers to a' or boundary hedge being planted to mark the boundary of Lord jgrgf's Manor. It also refers to '' and '' being given the right to cut rods in return for maintaining the boundary hedge. This must refer to a Hazel hedge as no one would want the right to cut any other sort or hedge. I believe the ancient Hazel hedgerow that runs along the Rowdedow, is the only surviving fragment of this ancient boundary hedge, it is certainly the only hazel hedgerow in the Parish.
Rowdedow is a corruption of the French 'Rue de Dieu', which means the road to god. The footpath was the route taken by Monks travelling between the medieval hospital and Priory of St John that occupied the area that is now Wood Street and Church Street and the important religious centre of Malmsbury Abbey.
The oldest house in Wood Street called the 'Priory' contains the surviving fragments of the Priory of St John. It is a small fragment of a much larger medieval complex, the foundations, tunnels and cellars of the priory have been discovered all over the old town of Wootton Bassett.
Local legend reports sittings of a ghostly grey monk walking the Rowdedow on moonless nights. Local resident John Howles of Victory Row saw the ghost last winter whilst walking his Whippet Mandy, "The dog saw im first like, she started whining then ran off, when I eard im moaning I legged it after her".
The whole area is environmentally sensitive, and an important breeding ground for birds and wildlife.
ENVIROMENTALISTS LAUNCH DEPERATE RESCUE PLAN
A spokes person for the Rational Trust described the plan as " sheer stupidity. The road is a terrible idea! How anyone can contemplate putting a road through a medieval footpath and a beautiful woodland in the 21st Century is beyond belief. There is already an access road a couple of fields along the escarpment, surely vehicles can use that, and the footpaths be improved for pedestrians."
An Eco-Warrior known only by the name Wood Owl proposes a more radical solution, " What we need is a 'Sky Walkway' a kinda bridge that spans over the tree tops. It would be cool, you would be able to watch the butterflies floating on the breeze and the baby birds learning to fly".
Local Resident Anthony Mason added, " The new school is welcome. I am particularly keen on watching them bulldoze my old classrooms. The school will now be responsible for a large area of Woodland , Grassland and Hedgerows and a sensible environmental action plan is urgently needed".
URGENT ACTION NEEDED NOW
The dramatic rise in use of this area as students move back and forward from the new playing fields will put much pressure on this sensitive area. The council has not even formed adequate plans for improving the existing footpaths let alone formed plans to protect the Rowdedow and woodlands.
A Footpath from Wood Street to the new playing fields needs to be upgraded to a Cycle Path. The paths down from the Rowdedow will also need improving and careful management to avoid damage.
There is much scope for improving access and leisure facilities along the Rowdedow escarpment , the area can be enhanced by planting Hazel coppices, Beech woods, ash groves and withy beds, but Action and Debate is needed now.
We have a unique opportunity to create a wonderful leisure facility for our children in the new millennium. A cycle path could be built from Wood Street to the Silver Jubilee Lake, to join the two areas of outstanding beauty, a fitting project for the Queens Golden Jubilee in 2002
----- Original Message ----- From: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [dicegeorge@orange.net] To: [tonymason@wootton66.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:11 AM Subject: Fw: stonehenge ] hello, ] you send me a 534k email ] which i cannot download ] cos im using a mobile phone ] what did you say in it, ] please send text only and no attachemtns! ] ] george ] ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ----- Original Message ----- ] From: "George - www.dicenews.com (orange)" [dicegeorge@orange.net] ] To: [tonymason@wootton66.freeserve.co.uk] ] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:13 AM ] Subject: stonehenge ] ] ] ] hello, ] ] ] ] you still there??? ] ] ] ] ] ] ~~~~ george ~ phone 07970 378572 ~~~~ ] ] ~~~~~~ www.dicenews.com ~~~~~~~~~~ ] ] ~ Stonehenge Campaign ~ Tribal Voices ~ ] ] ] ]
From: "josie grant" [jo-zgran@pacbell.net] To: [stonehengepeace@egroups.com] Subject: Re: [stonehengepeace] oops!..I deeply apologise.. ..Hastings WarpingFRI-SUN info...directions etc Date: 16 October 2000 04:27
hi visiondance- met you at the equniox- josie from america- just heard from the two other americans there from florida- just got home yesterday- so looking forward to seeing my pictures- we were very lucky to visit the stones and all particpate in the lovely ceremony- cheers!josie
Visiondans@aol.com wrote:
I am so sorry for the disruption that you all experienced yesterday. It was shortsighted, naieve and overly assertive, --See unsubscribe at the end of this Email - FOR HASTINGS DIRECTIONS etc scroll down
BUT... don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Just 'cos I messed up doesn't take away from how amazing The Warp is. THE JUST BECAUSE WARP GATH3ERING IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXPERIMENT IN WHO WE ARE.
This gathering is totally interactive. - run on the principle of "Bring what you expect to find" and financed by our contribution to the "magic hat" - Its an Organic, self activating, non toxic, conciousness expanding, children friendly, family gathering--Leave your baggage at home :) =="The Warp is the party - the party is the cast - We are the Play"
DIRECTIONS TO HASTINGS EVENT - Community interactive Warp gathering
The gathering is located on Watermill lane, close to Sidley in east sussex,
near
Bexhill about 5 miles west of Hastings -on the Brighton Hastings road - A 259
From London take the A21 south towards Hastings.....Turn right onto the A 2100 towards Battle.Left onto the B 2204 towards Ninfield.......Turn right towards Sidley The site is on the right about 1 mile before Sidley
Remember it is October in England Be prepared - WARM CLOTHING -WATERPROOFS -CHANGE OF CLOTHES BLANKETS -- Basics :) --If its not there is because you didn't bring it!
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We will be acting/reading our way through the script - Come as your favourite character!
There are all kinds of musicians and DJ's coming www.thewarpexperience.org/hastings/flyer This is our community gathering, 1+1=11, more synergy, more possibility! Bring your creative projects -- Fun The Final Frontier www.thewarpexperience.org/hastings
WAYS YOU CAN HELP
Another marqee would be great, Come asap with a willing heart, bring tools - shovels etc Transportation - car and especially van Contribute "green energy" to to the magic hat to help lubricate this gathering
Bring all the wonderful gifts that life has given you to share. Questions??? call Robin 07932656730
Just Because...............We Love It! Thats why I do it! Thanks to all the wonderful individuals whose efforts both currently and past have paved the way for this event to happen. Especially Fraser - www.parallel-youniversity.com
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]X-Sender: oxyace@pop3.ukonline.co.uk (Unverified) ]Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:08:09 +0100 ]To: Oxyace [oxyace@ukonline.co.uk] ]From: Oxyace [oxyace@ukonline.co.uk] ]Subject: Fwd: Launch of UK campaign against dams ] ] ] ]]Delivered-To: oxyace@ukonline.co.uk ]]From: "Keith Hyams" [keith.hyams@linacre.oxford.ac.uk] ]]To: [oxyace@ukonline.co.uk] ]]Subject: Launch of UK campaign against dams ]]Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:53:42 +0100 ]] ]]] ]]]Launch of UK anti dams campaign: 8pm, Wednesday 25th (3rd week), Linacre ]]]College Abraham Building, Room 4 ]]] ]]](The session will begin with planning a response to the Supreme court's ]]]Narmada ruling as described in the previous email, before moving on at ]]]about 8.20 to plan the setting up of a more general UK campaign against ]]]ALL dams, which is what this email is about.) ]]] ]]]You probably know quite a bit about the destructive effects of the Ilisu ]]]dam, what you may not know is that there are hundreds of these monsters ]]]being built right now and that every single one of them has the same ]]]destructive effects: displacement of thousands (who almost without ]]]exception are not properly rehabilitated, and who are very often tribal ]]]peoples), massive environmental damage, exaggeration of benefits, ]]]flooding and waterlogging, the list goes on and on. ]]] ]]]Big dams are one of the biggest killers in the world today and are ]]]responsible for much of the poverty seen on the streets of the global ]]]South. The 3 Gorges dam in china for example will displace over a ]]]million people - they have nowhere to go. The North has realised what ]]]disasters they are but has to keep its dam builders in business, so has ]]]started exporting them en masse to the South instead (dams are one of ]]]the World Bank's favourite 'development' projects and they fund large ]]]numbers of them) despite their benefits being proved false or ]]]exaggerated again and again and again. ]]] ]]]If you are interested in finding out how the world is working at the ]]]moment or if you want to fight it - the case of dams provides a perfect ]]]microcosm of what's wrong with the world - this is an ideal campaign to ]]]get involved in (and as its a new campaign, we particularly need support ]]]at this stage to get it on its feet). ]]] ]]]Keith ] ]Oxyacetylene ]The free fortnightly newsletter for Oxford ]16B Cherwell St ]Oxford OX4 1BG ]Tel: 07970 343486 ]oxyace@ukonline.co.uk ]http://come.to/oxyace ]
From: "Darron Fleming" [ratbiker@madasafish.com] To: [stonehengepeace@egroups.com] Subject: Re: [stonehengepeace] cover stones Date: 20 October 2000 14:22 re: sacking the stones...... yes definitely, that lichen was a bugger to wash out of my jeans.... Seriously,I have to question your motives for wanting to do such a thing. Is it the lichen issue ? Is it a respect thing - for the stones that is. Is this an indication of pandering to the desires of the archeological command ? This is dangerous ground to tread. Todays compromises are tomorrows rules. Where will it end, how much quarter is given before we have given too much. Who decides on who decides ? From: Dice George [george@dicenews.com] To: [stonehengepeace@egroups.com] Cc: [stonehenge@stones.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: [stonehengepeace] cover stones ] should we cover the ] horizantel stones with sacking ] in june because of people sitting on them? ] ] george ] ] ps rainbow circle agm ] at glastonbury assembly rooms ] sat/sunday ]
From: [cchatman@cccis.com] To: [stonehenge@stones.com] Subject: I will be in London from November 26 through December 4. Date: 23 October 2000 14:46 Dear Stonehenge Campaign, I will be in London from November 26 through December 4. I will be vacationing and I wanted to include Stonehenge in my travels. Can you advise of any groups that will be seeing Stonehenge in this time period that I could a company?
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: stonecam.htm-Form ] ] (StoneForm) Where is the Winter Solstice held. ] (Email) jade_ruston@hotmail.com ] ] From: "George [www.dicenews.com]" [george@dicenews.com] To: [jade_ruston@hotmail.com] Subject: wniter solstice Date: 23 October 2000 20:34 its a time not a place! but we gather on wednesday 20th in the track behind the english heriticage carpark and at perhaps a few hours before sunrise usually are let in and bimble around in stonehnege.. september went well so i'd expect december to be OK see you there! WERE YOU AT JUNE? what did you think? and/or come to our london meetings first wednesday of the month george.
From: "The Land Is Ours" [office@tlio.demon.co.uk] To: [diggers350@egroups.com] Subject: [diggers350] Fwd: MOBILIZE GLOBALLY ! New listserv ! Date: 23 October 2000 13:25 ]Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:36:41 +0200 ]From: "secr(MG!)" [secr@unitedpeoples.net] ]Reply-To: secr@unitedpeoples.net ]Subject: MOBILIZE GLOBALLY ! New listserv ! ] ] ]A new listserv has been set up at ] ]http://www.egroups.com/group/mobilize-globally ] ]for the purpose of report and discussion of the ]future and past progressive activities, in order ]to maximize participation and learn from past ]experience, so that the activities worldwide ]continuously raise to an ever more efficient ]level. ] ]For instance, a special working group could be ]set up by the organizers of each event or activity ] ]to report on this list on their good and bad ]experiences. ] ]Subscribe: ]mobilize-globally-subscribe@egroups.com ] ]Post messages to: ]mobilize-globally@egroups.com ] ]In solidarity, ] ]The United Peoples ]http://www.unitedpeoples.net ]NB! New address: secr@unitedpeoples.net ] ] ]______________________________________________ ] ] MOBILIZE GLOBALLY ! (MG!) ] ] Reinforce, expand and coordinate the new ]worldwide resistance movement ! ] ] Join the worldwide campaign for transfer ]of the economic and political power from the ]corporations, their mass media monopoly and ]their governments, to the peoples ! ] ] To demonstrate your support of all of the ]various endevours to achieve this, e.g. ]the protests against the third Asia-Europe ]Meeting (ASEM) summit on October 20-21 in Seoul, ]stopping the Fast Track in the US early 2001 ]and the Global Strike Against Corporate Tyranny ]on May 1, 2001, ' M1 ' ( see ]http://www.egroups.com/group/mobilize-globally ), ]simply insert a permanent (MG!) behind your name ]or organisation in the heading of your e-mails, ]etc. ] ] Add this footnote to your messages. ]________________________________________________ ] ] ] ] ]MOBILIZE GLOBALLY ! ] ]REINFORCE, EXPAND AND COORDINATE THE ]NEW GLOBAL RESISTANCE MOVEMENT ! ] ]The next necessary step to maintain the momentum ]of the new worldwide resistance movement is an ]ever more intense involvement and coordination ]of ALL progressives of the planet. ] ]At the same time as this global movement must ]maintain the flat, decentralized and democratic ]grassroot structure with everybody's opportunity ]to initiate and organize local or global common ]projects, it also must have one common name and ]one ultimate goal. ] ]The umbrella name appropriately is Mobilize ]Globally ! (MG!) ] ]Support of this worldwide movement should be ]demonstrated by adding the bracket (MG!) after ]the name of the individual or organisation. ]In e-mails it might be inserted permanently after ]the sender address in the heading. ] ]The common ultimate goal at the same time must ]be broad and concrete enough, clearly define the ]enemy and thus be phrased as follows: ] ]Transfer of the economic and political power ]from the transnational corporations, their mass ]media monopoly and their governments, to the ]peoples. ] ]The worldwide Mobilize Globally! movement will ] ]- empower the total movement and its individual ] members in their various activities and ]struggles ]- focus on the superior common goal ]- enhance all kinds of cooperation nationally and ] internationally ]- demonstrate our overwhelming strength when the ] MG! symbol everywhere will catch the eye, and ]thus ]- attract ever broader circles of people. ] ] ] ] _____________________________________________ ] ]You are receiving this email because you are ]subscribed to United Peoples' email list or to ]some shared listserv(s). ]To unsubscribe from the UP list, hit 'Reply', ]type 'Unsubscribe' in the subject line and hit ]'Send'. ]______________________________________________ ] ] ] ] ] ]--- ]Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ]Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). ]Version: 6.0.185 / Virus Database: 88 - Release Date: 18/08/00 The TLIO Networking Office The Land Is Ours ... A Landrights movement for All The Land Is Ours campaigns peacefully for access to the land, its resources and the decision making processes affecting them, for everyone - irrespecitive of race, age, or gender. +44 (0)1865 722016 16B Cherwell St, OXFORD, OX4 1BG check out our website at: [http://www.oneworld.org/tlio/] or contact us at: [office@tlio.demon.co.uk] TLIO are currently short on funds. For a year's subscription for the newsletter (3 times a year), we are asking for £3 per annum. Please make cheques payable to "The Land Is Ours". ----------
From: "The Land Is Ours" [office@tlio.demon.co.uk] To: [diggers350@egroups.com] Subject: [diggers350] Fwd: Interview with Tony Benn Date: 23 October 2000 13:28 ]X-Sender: dragonrg@mail.globalnet.co.uk ]To: davethorpe@cyberium.co.uk ]From: dragonrg@globalnet.co.uk (Frank Jackson) ]Subject: Interview with Tony Benn ]Cc: rpdbyrne@yahoo.com, gilly@innodas.de, ecodyfi@gn.apc.org, ] zonezero@globalnet.co.uk, dandelion@cyberdude.com, ] thomas.cousins@talk21.com, ptrimby@mac.com, office@tlio.demon.co.uk, ] david@pluggingintothesun.org.uk ]Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:47:24 +0100 ] ] ] ]Tony Benn: I'll just mark this. It is now the ninth of October the year ]2000. I'm with Chris Stone who was coming to see me about protest but might ]be something else. OK, I'm with you. ] ]Chris Stone: Really it's about the current globalisation project. So. ]There's a whole range of things I want to ask you really. First of all, ]what do you understand by the term "globalisation"? ] ]TB: It's the free movement of capital, but not the free movement of labour. ]It's imperialism under a new form: only the agents of imperialism are ]companies rather than countries. But of course the companies are supported ]by countries. So America backs up its oil companies by going to war where ]there's an oil interest, as we did in the Falklands, because the Falklands ]was an oil war, there's more oil around the Falklands than there is around ]the United Kingdom, and that's what that was about. And of course some ]companies are now bigger than nation states. Ford is bigger than South ]Africa. Toyota is bigger than Norway. And some of these big guys come and ]dominate the world, bring pressure to bear on governments, and to make sure ]they then buy both parties in Britain and America, and then expect to pay ]off which ever one wins. And imperialism of course is coming back now. And ]it really is, I think, a direct counter attack on democracy. The franchise ]was only extended to one person one vote in 1948 in Britain, and at the age ]of 18 later even than that, and at that moment the guys at the top got ]really frightened that the poor could use the vote not just to buy ]political power, but economic power. So they decided to prevent it. They ]couldn't prevent it during the period of the Soviet Union, because the ]existence of an anti-capitalist superpower frightened the life out of the ]establishment. And so they had to let the colonies go, in case they went ]communist, concede the welfare state in case western Europe went socialist. ]Only America is now the dominant power and not Britain, and we're ]piggy-backing on the back of American military power.... ] ]CS: And we're doing their dirty work for them... ] ]TB: Exactly. And now we can be a superpower but not a super state.... like ]saying I'll have a banana but not a banana split. Ludicrous. But it's an ..... ] ]TB: Yes but you have to take a moving picture in politics, not snapshots. I ]think of all the things I've campaigned on in my life, years and years ago. ]Gay rights. I introduced a bill in 1989 for an equal age of consent. It was ]laughed at. Now law. I campaigned for the end of apartheid. Everybody said ]it will never happen. I'm not saying I did it. You anticipated it. And the ]PFI will go down the pan because the unions won't have it. And the unions ]are beginning to feel their muscle again. They wanted Labour to win, quite ]rightly after the Tories, they want Labour to win again, quite rightly, and ]there are a few peerages hovering over the heads of the General ]Secretaries. I wouldn't be surprised if all the principle General ]Secretaries don't take up with Mr. Blair's reformed House of Lords. There ]are a lot of factors at work. But underneath, where people are people, it's ]not going to quite be like that. ] ]CS: So you remain an optimist then? ] ]TB: Oh yeah.
From: "Andy Burnham" [aburnham@easynet.co.uk]
To: "Stonehengepeace@Egroups. Com" [stonehengepeace@egroups.com];
"Britarch" [britarch@mailbase.ac.uk]
Subject: [stonehengepeace] Special Events at Rollright 28th October 2000
including talk by Dr Aubrey Burl
Date: 23 October 2000 15:01
Stone Circles Grow Up
This is the title of Aubrey Burl's talk on the afternoon of Saturday
October 28th at the village hall, Long Compton. The talk and slide
presentation looks at the study of stone circles from the days of the
early antiquarians to the modern archaeologist. This is the talk that Dr
Burl was scheduled to give at this years ASLaN conference but which had
to be postponed due to other commitments. The talk is in aid of ASLaN
and The Rollright Trust. Places will be allocated first to those who
attended the ASLaN conference and then to members. We are expecting
quite a lot of interest in this rare talk by the great man himself so
write in and book your seat now if you want to be sure of being there.
There will be books, CDs and many other items on sale, including Dr Burl's
latest.
Tickets - £5
Cheques/PO's payable to ASLAN. Available from Stone Circles Grow Up, PO
Box 333, Banbury, Oxfordshire, OX16 4XA. Please include an SAE if
possible. Alternatively there should be places on the day - check with
saffron@rollright.demon.co.uk or on 01295 277244
At the stones
It's the dark time of year again and as usual we are having an event
near to the festival of Samhain. We are breaking with the tradition of
earlier years by having something happening at the circle through the
afternoon and evening including wandering minstrels and story-tellers.
There will also be an opportunity during the day and evening for anyone
who wishes to tell an anecdote or story about those they have lost and
to light a candle in their memory - please bring your own candle and a
jar to put it in! Anyone is welcome to join in and members usual
admission fee applies (free) - normal admission of 50p to everyone else.
At 4.45pm there will be a fully open public ritual (no more accusations
of occult activity if it's all open). This year will see the first
Anglo-Saxon Heathen-led ritual at the Stones. The focus will be on the
ancestors and this should be very appropriate as the most recent graves
near the Stones are those from the Anglo-Saxon period. Once again all
will be welcome. Join in and partake in the Sumble (the ritual passing
of one or more mead-horns around all present together with much public
toasting and not a little good-natured boasting). We are informed that
these events are very lively occasions and not at all sombre - join us
in the mead queue.
Evening
Once darkness falls the site will be closed to those without tickets -
Mad Mick is back with us once more in his familiar role of MC and Bard.
The entertainment will be provided by Gippeswic Storytellers, Sleeping
Myth, Morning Tide and The Way Forward with Scathagh's Wing and a trio
of lovely ladies who have forgotten to tell me what name they are using
in the afternoon.
Ticket prices
Members £3.50, members' children (under 16) free
Everyone else £5.00 and children £2.50.
Tickets may be purchased for the Halloween event on the day itself
(don't forget to bring your membership card) or in advance.
Please note - acts may be subject to change at short notice.
Cheques/PO's payable to The Friends of the Rollright Stones. Available
from Halloween, PO Box 333, Banbury, Oxfordshire, OX16 4XA. Please
include an SAE if possible.
October 31st
Although 'officially' closed during the hours of darkness the circle
will be staffed volunteers during the night of October 31st. Over the
last few years we have come to realise that a lot of people visit on
this night to pay their respects to passed loved ones. We also get local
lads who have over-indulged at the pub and try to sneak in through the
field in the vain hope of stumbling on naked witches dancing around a
fire! Come and say hello if you are in the area and give the young
scallywags a fright.
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The Rollright Stones
http://www.rollright.demon.co.uk
Enquiries phone/fax 01295 277244
PO Box 333, Banbury, Oxfordshire, OX16 4XA, England
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From: Tony Gosling [tony@gaia.org]
To: diggers350@egroups.com
Subject: [diggers350] The Mores
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:11:15 +0100
Re-read this tonight - thought i'd share it wiv yuz
Tony
THE MORES
Far spread the moorey ground a level scene
Bespread with rush and one eternal green
That never felt the rage of blundering plough
Though centurys wreathed spring's blossoms on its brow
Still meeting plains that stretched them far away
In uncheckt shadows of green brown, and grey
Unbounded freedom ruled the wandering scene
Nor fence of ownership crept in between
To hide the prospect of the following eye
Its only bondage was the circling sky
One mighty flat undwarfed by bush and tree
Spread its faint shadow of immensity
And lost itself, which seemed to eke its bounds
In the blue mist the horizon's edge surrounds
Now this sweet vision of my boyish hours
Free as spring clouds and wild as summer flowers
Is faded all - a hope that blossomed free,
And hath been once, no more shall ever be
Inclosure came and trampled on the grave
Of labour's rights and left the poor a slave
And memory's pride ere want to wealth did bow
Is both the shadow and the substance now
The sheep and cows were free to range as then
Where change might prompt nor felt the bonds of men
Cows went and came, with evening morn and night,
To the wild pasture as their common right
And sheep, unfolded with the rising sun
Heard the swains shout and felt their freedom won
Tracked the red fallow field and heath and plain
Then met the brook and drank and roamed again
The brook that dribbled on as clear as glass
Beneath the roots they hid among the grass
While the glad shepherd traced their tracks along
Free as the lark and happy as her song
But now all's fled and flats of many a dye
That seemed to lengthen with the following eye
Moors, loosing from the sight, far, smooth, and blea
Where swopt the plover in its pleasure free
Are vanished now with commons wild and gay
As poet's visions of life's early day
Mulberry-bushes where the boy would run
To fill his hands with fruit are grubbed and done
And hedgrow-briars - flower-lovers overjoyed
Came and got flower-pots - these are all destroyed
And sky-bound mores in mangled garbs are left
Like mighty giants of their limbs bereft
Fence now meets fence in owners' little bounds
Of field and meadow large as garden grounds
In little parcels little minds to please
With men and flocks imprisoned, ill at ease
Each little path that led its pleasant way
As sweet as morning leading night astray
Where little flowers bloomed round a varied host
That travel felt delighted to be lost
Nor grudged the steps that he had ta-en as vain
When right roads traced his journeys and again -
Nay, on a broken tree he'd sit awhile
To see the mores and fields and meadows smile
Sometimes with cowslaps smothered - then all white
With daiseys - then the summer's splendid sight
Of cornfields crimson o'er the headache bloomd
Like splendid armys for the battle plumed
He gazed upon them with wild fancy's eye
As fallen landscapes from an evening sky
These paths are stopt - the rude philistine's thrall
Is laid upon them and destroyed them all
Each little tyrant with his little sign
Shows where man claims earth glows no more divine
But paths to freedom and to childhood dear
A board sticks up to notice 'no road here'
And on the tree with ivy overhung
The hated sign by vulgar taste is hung
As tho' the very birds should learn to know
When they go there they must no further go
Thus, with the poor, scared freedom bade goodbye
And much they feel it in the smothered sigh
And birds and trees and flowers without a name
All sighed when lawless law's enclosure came
And dreams of plunder in such rebel schemes
Have found too truly that they were but dreams.
John Clare 1793-1864
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form Date: 29 October 2000 09:39 To who it may concern, How could I find out what constellations can be seen from Stonehenge during the solstices? (From) Rachel Johnson (Email) leaboe14@cs.com [[[[ there was an answer from gfirsoff but its lost!]]]]
From: "The Land Is Ours" [office@tlio.demon.co.uk] To: [diggers350@egroups.com] Subject: [diggers350] Rural futures Date: 31 October 2000 09:47 ]Rural Futures Launch An alternative voice for the Countryside ]Rural Futures launched on Monday. There are nine stakeholder organisations ](including TLIO) who have agreed a 7 point agenda. Rural Futures aims to ]generate debate around some of the deeper questions affecting the ]countryside - please see attached agenda and questions. ] ]The website [http://www.ruralfutures.org]www.ruralfutures.org will be our ]public face and where the debate takes place. To help launch the debate RF ]commissioned Neil Ward to write a short report on the key issues. This, ]together with stakeholder responses to his report will be available on the ]website. ] Simon Fairlie is the TLIO spokesperson for Rural Futures. TO contact him: ring ): 01460 249 204 (thurs) 01935 881 975 (rest of week) ---------- The TLIO Networking Office The Land Is Ours ... A Landrights movement for All The Land Is Ours campaigns peacefully for access to the land, its resources and the decision making processes affecting them, for everyone - irrespecitive of race, age, or gender. +44 (0)1865 722016 16B Cherwell St, OXFORD, OX4 1BG check out our website at: [http://www.oneworld.org/tlio/] or contact us at: [office@tlio.demon.co.uk] TLIO are currently short on funds. For a year's subscription for the newsletter (3 times a year), we are asking for £3 per annum. Please make cheques payable to "The Land Is Ours".
From: "Green Futures" [gfutures@gfutures.demon.co.uk] Subject: Green Futures - we are now less easy to contact! Date: 07 November 2000 10:28 Dear All Moving day is almost upon us. Green Futures Festivals is to vacate the office at Platt's Eyot on 12 November 2000. New contact details: P O Box 155 Hampton Middx TW12 2FJ Tel Still 020 8941 6277 (calls will be diverted - use for messages only) Email Will not reach us until we set up a new system - we are looking for a boat-friendly solution! There may well be a few months break before we are back online. Jean & Sam PS We are interested in hearing of cheap to rent office/workshop accommodation with a riverside location. PPS Happy Solstice etc - as necessary. Lotsa Luv -- Green Futures
From: "Andy Smith" festivaleye@uknighttimeonline.com To: george@dicenews.com Subject: RE: festivaleye dates etc Date: 08 November 2000 16:38 George My best mode of communication is the telephone. It is the main tool I use to communicate over distance. Writing takes me far more time weather its letter or email! I've no problem about big mistakes and important omissions being announced on the web site, update, or next magazine. But is not necessary to point out every missing comma or speeling mistack. I have been working all the hours I can on supporting Festival Culture in this country, which is why I have taken on the responsibility of publishing Festival Eye. That's why I do/have done all sorts of other work at events nationwide, frequently unpaid, and when I do make some cash most of it has to be used to pay Festival Eye bills/running expences and or renew equipment employed to the same ends! Previously I did the same sort of thing with the Stonehenge Campaign and FIN The cost of these perks is enormous both in time and money as I have mentioned. When anything goes wrong the buck stops with me weather it is my fault, personally, or not. In case you have not realised I have been working at saturation point. Right now I am chasing people who have not yet paid for the mags they ordered, this year, last year and going back even further. I have to find money to pay bills incurred in producing/administering Festival Eye. Some creditors of mine are at the court stage, yet I don't have the funds in the bank to pay them all! It is my fault I suppose for giving credit where perhapse I shouldn't. I have found out to my cost that too many people renage on their responsabilities leaving me in the lurch. -Not a sustainable position! Perhapse if there were not these sort of hassles I would have been able to have more time to spend on content type things. ....( stuff deleted ) ..... I'll happily consider any material you think should go in the magazine. The next issue and will be out in March!!! The deadline for all articles/pictures to be considered is the end of this year, leaving enough time to put the magazine together, print it, distribute it without busting a gut! Please leaise with Patrick from November onwards if you wish to contribute to the web site. I am in regular contact with him and he is organising this. Let me know as soon as possible which festivals you would like to review next year! Best wishes, Andy
From: "Headstrong" [john@techead.co.uk] Subject: env links-Climate Change is the Real Fuel Crisis [1:4:7] Date: 09 November 2000 12:55 This message was sent from: Enviroactive. [http://www.phreak.co.uk/phreak/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=7&t=4] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is the current issue that is up for discussion Climate Change is the Real Fuel Crisis http://www.realfuelcrisis.co.uk www.realfuelcrisis.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:25:27 -0800 (PST)
(StoneForm) I am from Brazil and going to London by the end of this month. My
name us Ana and the very first place I want to go as soon as I get there is
Stonehenge. I need new energy and to meet new people who think as I do. I am a
lonely Wicca here where I live. So "I love Stonehenge" though I have never been
there before, but it does not matter. I will be there soon.
(From) Ana
(Email) avbarros@zaz.com.br
From: "Steve" [steve_bubble@hotmail.com]
Reply-To: "Steve" [steve_bubble@hotmail.com]
To: [tribalvoices@geocities.com]
Subject: Twyford Rising Book Project
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:48:05 -0800
hiya, may have met one or two of you... I used to put on the Torpedo Town Free
Festy and came and spoke to members of the site... unfortunately I got nicked
and the festy was a bit of a mess in the end, dunno... is it relevant? I've got
a spiral tribe flyer which is specifically about the Down in relation to
T-Town....
cheers Steve
\
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form Date: 21 November 2000 07:00 HelloI am in the process of making a documentary for Discovery USA called 'Secrets of Stonehenge.'
The programme will only be broadcast in the USA.
I can be called on 0207 261 3007. We'll be filming for ten days from around the 8th December.
Thanks for reading.
Mark Cowley Discovery USA Travel Channel (From) Mark Cowley @ Discovery USA Travel Channel (Email) mark.cowley@granadamedia.com
From: Save Stonehenge! [info@savestonehenge.org.uk] -
To: "'george@dicenews.com'" [george@dicenews.com]
Subject: RE: link 2 S.Campaign
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:34:58 -0000
From info@savestonehenge.org.uk Tue Nov 21 14:50:07 2000
Hi DG....
I think we already link to the Stonehenge campaign?? (It was just about the
first link I added!) On our background page (really our links page), we have
this link:
Stonehenge access campaign news
(http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~ait/stonehenge.html)
If that's not the best one, let me know what you'd prefer and I'll fix it.
Good suggestion about the arty pics. I will fix it next time I change that page.
Thanks.... Chris.
----------
From: Dice George
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:26 PM
To: info@savestonehenge.org.uk
Subject: link 2 S.Campaign
please link to stonehenge campaign
when you build a links page--
and put a picture at the top of
http://www.savestonehenge.org.uk/stoneb.html
the pics are fantastic
but most people dont bother to scropll down?
george
]From: Save Stonehenge! [info@savestonehenge.org.uk]
]To: "'info@savestonehenge.org.uk'" [info@savestonehenge.org.uk]
]Subject: Save Stonehenge website moves... and other brief news
]Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:04:32 -0000
]about this on our website at:
]http://www.savestonehenge.org.uk/poll.html
]-----------------------------------------------------------------------
]That's all for now...
]
]Chris Woodford.
]
PRESS RELEASE MUSIC 4U Launch Date: Saturday, December 9th 2000 Venue: Assembly Rooms of Glastonbury Time: 7pm Start, 12pm Finish. Tickets: £3/4 (concessions) Ticket and Information Hotline: 01458 831753 (daytimes only RuthFlute@hotmail.com Sharp_pointy_stick@yahoo.comNew Music Promotions Agency: Music 4U Sound Spirit Promotions, launched in Somerset, promoting musicians from across the UK.
Music 4U Sound Spirit Promotions is a not-for-profits arts organisation, who will be celebrating their launch at The Glastonbury Assembly Rooms on Saturday December 9th with a top night of entertainment. At this event there will be acclaimed musicians from Somerset, London and Brighton.
The evening will begin with French Renaissance music and dancing, performed by talented musicians from Glastonbury. Then Yuletide carols, directed by Tim Hall, of the Invisible Opera Company of Tibet, with local singers. The evening will continue with some of the most happening bands of 2000: Halo, Fantasmagoria and Altered Native.
Music 4U Sound Spirit Promotions is a young and energetic promotions agency, created for the benefit of musicians and audiences alike. We are based in Glastonbury, Somerset, and as we build, we network across the UK.
30 Benedict Street, Glastonbury, Somerset, BA6 9EX 01458 831753 Contact: Ruth Edgell or Emma Harper RuthFlute@hotmail.com Sharp_pointy_stick@yahoo.com
From: "farouq kamara" [farouq@vizzavi.net] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: aid for africa Date: 25 November 2000 08:31 dear sir/madam my name is mr kamara, and i have just returned from sierra leone west africa. i have been asked by people of the education departments if i can assist them with obtaining .i.t equipment. i am asking you if you can help me to help these people. i am going back in january. thank you
Subject: Fred Goldman's Mustache; climbing the "big beat" charts at mp3.com Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:47:34 -0500 (EST) Hello, It is my pleasure to announce that the SLOTERDIJK tune "Fred Goldman's Mustache" is slowly but steadily climbing the "big beat" charts.. The song was recently picked up by a rather high profile "station" at mp3.com. Now, I am grateful to all the "station creators" such as Stuart Hamilton of "Zeitgeist", (www.zeitgeist-scot.com) for picking up the song and helping to spread the word.. In all cases, I always submit material to mp3 stations which don't require me to play the station regularly or to download songs etc. The reason for this is that I don't have the ability to do so. All the "stations" which pick up Sloterdijk's mp3 files understand this, and if there is a hidden requirement I always withdraw by honestly stating that I cannot meet the demand. Now "Sexknowledy" was picked up by "Dj Keesh's Cyberspace Jukebox". This is a station which is run by DJ Keesh, a female trance dj in the U.K. When Keesh sent me a note asking me to reciprocate by uploading one of her mixes to my own "station", I could not do so, because I don't have a station, and as I said before, I don't have the ability to set one up, or to maintain it. As a compromising gesture, I told Keesh that if she would keep the tune on her playlist for awhile, that I would give her show a plug by informing my list and several of the other lists I belong to about it. If you would visit her site, even for a moment, she will gain increased web activity on her site. There is alot of good music there as well..Lots of electronic trance etc. If you choose to drop her a note via the station, please put in a word for Sloterdijk. I am not even asking you to listen to the song there, because I will not show a bias toward any station..You can choose from 7 or 8 stations which are now playing Sloterdijk, via our own site at www.mp3.com/sloterdijk Choose "stations now playing", and visit any one or more of them. If you want to go directly to dj keesh's station, you can use the following URL. This is important because Keesh is in The U.K., and SLOTERDIJK is working hard to create contacts in that region. http://stations.mp3.com/stations/123/djkeeshs_cyberspace_jukeb.html Thanks, and peace out!!! MIke (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl the correct URL is: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/123/dj_keeshs_cyberspace_Jukeb.html http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl
From: "Tony Gosling" [tony@gaia.org] To: [diggers350@egroups.com] Subject: [diggers350] Diggers' Stone going up Date: 03 December 2000 08:28 The Diggers Memorial Stone is to be put in place next weekend. The stone will be erected by Andrew Whittle (the sculptor) on Sunday 10th December 2000. Please feel free to come along after lunch to mark the occasion, just opposite Weybridge station. Please call Andrew Bradstock 0207 916 8633, Judith 01544 260847 or Mark Brown 0208 357 8504 for further info. A larger celebration to commemorate the Diggers and celebrate the opening of the 'Diggers Trail' is planned for Sunday April 1st 2001 - further details in the New Year. Digger Communique Ends/
From: [Visiondans@aol.com] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: [dicenews] dates+TribalVoicesTapes+Stonehenge+Rainbows+more Date: 05 December 2000 20:01george - please get off the warpspam converstion - it was a naieve mistake on my part - i rushed into it - i was trying to create something really dynamic and didn't think it through - it doesn't make me a bad person - we all make mistakes - sombody increased the effect by changing the unsubscribe adress so that it wouldn't work
it has been a very painful experience for me and has really tested my cyber relationships -- hey its not like a i make any money for this stuff - i do it for the same reason you do it -- for the vision of a better world see you soon brother
:) brian
From: viziondanz@AOL.COM
Reply-To: stonehengepeace@egroups.com
To: stonehengepeace@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [stonehengepeace] S.C. Weds Torriano + THOMAS spam + dicenews
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:53:49 EST
hi george
:)
just for the record - on investigation by smartgroups they found that someone
took advantage of my warpseed mistake and changed the unsubscibe adress so
that when people tried to unsubscibe it didn't work - this is what made it
all go so nuts - not that it excuses my mistake, and i apologise once again
to all of you who were inconvenienced by that
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From: "not sending" [matt.bennett@zoom.co.uk] - To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: tribal voices Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:41:28 -0000 Yep, got all that......... tribal voices looks nice and colourfull. Did Miles help with the tapes?? The rainbow centre compilation is still around on dat and since Dan Driscol passed on , the family expressed some interest in using his songs on a ramblin dan cd. it's not tribal voices but it would be good to re-issue it so I'm planning to transfer it to cd in the new year. Cowbell kid's on there too!!!!!! keep up the good networking, fair play to you george, for making an effort and beleiving in actions. you deserve to be a pop star!!! matt and family
To: george@dicenews.com
Subject: stonecam.htm-Form
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:10:34 -0800 (PST)
(StoneForm) I was introduced to your site by Sheelagh & impressed, if a little
overwhelmed, by all there is to see & do! Well done! Do you have any books I
could review & get you some more exposure? editor@rebeccasreads.com.
(From) Rebecca
(Email) editor@rebeccasreads.com
(Website) rebeccasreads.com
From: [spacegirl001@excite.com] -
To: dice george [george@dicenews.com]
Subject: Re: Spacegirl's Debut Album
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:21:05 -0800 (PST)
Dear George
Just to let you know I have copies available of my debut album "Cysgwch yn
Dawel" if you are interested. I'm sending them out for postage and package
costs only.
Hope you are okay and will see you again soon somewhere.
Sprinkled stardust and best wishes.
SPACEGIRL
(Nicola Kavanagh)
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~parcher/spacegirl.htm
From: "Glastonbury Assembly Rooms" [info@assembly-rooms.freeserve.co.uk] To: "Stonehenge Campaign" [stonehenge@stones.com] Subject: Events at the Glastonbury Assembly Rooms Date: 07 December 2000 04:30 Dear Stonehenge people, Here are details of upcoming events & exciting happenings at the Rooms. I hope you can come along! * Thursday 7th * Rob Newman One of Britain's' most popular stand-ups, mixing intelligent political comedy with quite stupid character comedy, unlike any other One quarter of the Mary Whitehouse Experience, he is thoughtful, charismatic, sexy & entertaining. Don't miss! * Door 8pm to start 8.30pm £9/£7 * * Friday 8th * Imagine Peace A celebration of the life & works of John Lennon. All day. All evening. Bed-in. * Day 12noon Eve 8pm Magik hat * * Saturday 9th * Music 4 U Sound Spirit Promotions Launch Party An amazing mix of music; from Renaissance dance Festnost to Yuletide carols, & a fantastic lineup of some of the most happening bands, inc. Halo & Fantasmagoria * Door 7pm £6/£4 on door £5/£3 in advance 01458-831735 * * Friday 15th * VOLT Night An enchanting night with Various Outstanding Local Talent. Bring your voice, tune, pipe, drum or just your own unique self to Glastonbury's most popular monthly acoustic gathering All musicians please pre-book with Francois :01458-834511. * door 8pm £4/£3/£1 * * Saturday 16th * Demon Drummers from Heart A night of powerful, heartfelt drum & chant; the global sound of African, Celtic, North American & Aboriginal influences, exploring the rhythms & dance of life. * Door 8pm £5/£4 * *Wednesday 20th * The Company of Strangers present:' The Winters Burning' A magical tapestry of music, ethereal vocals & passionate narration in 4 tales blending ancient tradition with new forms exploring the magic & mystery of Winter. * Door 7.30pm to start 8pm * * Thursday 21st * Community Yule Celebration A community gathering for making merry, joining together & celebrating Yule. * Door 8pm magik hat * * Friday 22nd * Abbey Players Benefit Gig AD60~The story of the 12 hides of Glaston. A night like you have never seen before, with the cast & crew of both the Abbey Players & Gothic Relief, dj' s, pipes & wicked psychedelia * Door 8pm £6/£5 * * Saturday 23rd * Nik Turner POSTPONED UNTIL FEB 9 2001 * Saturday 23rd * S'us Live psychedelic reggae with eclectic influences & musicians. A dancey, vibrant evening with atmospheric lighting & UV. S'us features amongst others, Si Morninghair & Tim Hall of The Invisable Opera Co. of Tibet. Trance & dub DJ's also play a part, just to keep you on your feet! * Door 8pm £5 * * Sunday 24th * Christmas Eve Party Bring instruments & festive vibes for a seasonal community knees-up. Dress to express & come to enjoy. * Door 8pm magik hat * * Saturday 30th * Vinyl Villains A DJ mix of dub, punk, festy music & dance, all served up by Craig & Simon. * Door 8pm £4 * * Sunday 31st * Hogmany Dance Party Welcome in the New Year in style with a mix of trance & techno by DJ Roger & friends. Beautiful surroundings, friendliness, ambience, fun.what more can you want! * Door 8pm £4/£3 dressed as a 2001 Space Oddity * * Open until 1am * Workshops Sunday 10am-12noon MARTIAL ARTS with Simon 1st Monday of month 7.30pm SEEKING THE AWEN Tuesday 12th & 19th 6-9pm SAMBA ~DRUMMING Wednesday 5th 10.30am-12noon IYENGAR YOGA 2000 Wednesday 7.30pm SHAMANIC DRUMMING Debs Glastonbury Assembly Rooms, High Street, Glastonbury, Somerset. BA6-9DU Phone: 01458-834677 E-mail: info@assembly-rooms.freeserve.co.uk http://www.isleofavalon/assembly-rooms/
From: "Rory Cargill" [etherealmusic@lineone.net] To: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Something for your newsleeter Date: 08 December 2000 04:19Well you asked me if I had anything to contribute to the Stonehenge Campaign newsletter. Maybe not, but I'd like to place the following advert/notice:
Electric guitar / keyboards player available to join/form live rock, metal, prog, space project to play at festivals, etc., summer 2001. Excellent player, loadsa experience, good gear but no transport, so London area only at first. Let's get the show together before rolling it out. Sorry, but no folk, acoustic, dance, disco, punk, pop, MOR, indie or other smart-aleck moves.
Visit http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/9313/tibdoc07.html for more info. Contact me on: 020.7223.8817 if you're interested.
Rory
etherealmusic@lineone.net http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/9313 http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/beegee/306 http://www.TheInvisibleBand.cwcom.net http://website.lineone.net/~etherealmusic http://members.tripod.co.uk/Alazarin/
From: "Dice George" [george@dicenews.com] To: [simonjbaker@lineone.net] Cc: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Ozrix 3 tv tapes Date: 08 December 2000 01:08 so its three tapes you want to buy? members of tribalvoices earn £2.50 for each one they sell, £5.50 and £7.50 but I sold 3 yesterday at stonehenge meeting so put the £7.50 profit into the SC fund to pay deposit for the glasto assemble rooms meeting.. im up all night at london cybercafe, then back to somerset tomorrow daytime.. to glast assembly rooms for john lennon day then spacegoats etc gig tomorrow then sleep --------------------- From: "simon baker" [simonjbaker@lineone.net] To: "George ~ www.dicenews.com" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: RE: Ozrix Date: 07 December 2000 14:23 Ah! OK. Well, I have to admit that the tape I got was a present from my sister.... I rate Peoplesound - they have big funding and investors and a lot of good press so they'll be around for a while. Try vitaminic.com also Simon -----Original Message----- From: George ~ www.dicenews.com [mailto:george@dicenews.com] Sent: 04 December 2000 19:24 To: simon baker Subject: Re: Ozrix what i mean is that after years of festering in a cardboard box in glastonbury a tape was sold? (the tapes in a box, not me) and months of me phoning and sussing to get more copies of tapes 3 and 4 produced, i sold 3 to a friend today, which means we may be able to do more as you know from the TV website and fraggle is on tapes 3 and 4, on the cover of tape 3 next record tapes 5 and 6 and how to make CDs and to put videos on them realvideo? do our sound samples work on your computer or is peoplesound.com OK or will it go bankrupt soon i dont knolw because ive been living in a bus near frome for a few years and they've already got a local lightshow so i have to hitch to london to get online blah blah.. george ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ george ~~ http://www.dicenews.com ~ ~ Stonehenge Campaign~~ Tribal Voices ~ ~~~~~~~~~ george@dicenews.com ~ ~~~~~~~~ (emails collected weeklyish) ~ (if after 7pm I'll phone you back cheaprate) ~ orange phone 07970 378572 ~ george ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "simon baker" [simonjbaker@lineone.net] To: [george@dicenews.com] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:25 AM Subject: RE: Ozrix ] how do you mean?! ] ] -----Original Message----- ] From: Dice George [mailto:george@dicenews.com] ] Sent: 01 December 2000 17:54 ] To: simonjbaker@lineone.net ] Subject: RE: Ozrix ] ] ] so be the second person to buy a tape! ] ] ] ] ]From: "simon baker" [simonjbaker@lineone.net] ] ]To: [george@dicenews.com] ] ]Subject: RE: Ozrix ] ]Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:03:02 -0000 ] ] ] ]the latter ] ]****, by her real name. ] ]Cheers! ] ] ] ] ] ]-----Original Message----- ] ]From: Dice George [mailto:george@dicenews.com] ] ]Sent: 01 December 2000 10:15 ] ]To: simon@ozrics.com ] ]Subject: Re: Ozrix ] ] ] ] ] ]thanks. ] ]which fraggle? ] ]the guitarist from Back to the planet? ] ]The accordian player eco activist stilt walker from tribalvoices? ] ]ow which? ] ] ] ] ] ]george. ] ] ] ]PS have you listened to Roly Roly ] ]on my music webpage? (www.dicenews.com ... music ...) ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]From: "Simon Eddie Baker" [simon@ozrics.com] ] ] ]To: [tribalvoices@geocities.com] ] ] ]Subject: Ozrix ] ] ]Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:12:12 -0000 ] ] ]Hi. ] ] ]Hope it's cool - I put a link on the Ozrix site to yours ] ] ]All the best ] ] ]Simon ] ] ](Fraggle's brother) ] ] ] ] ] ]Simon "Eddie" Baker ] ] ]Stretchy Records Ltd ] ] ]Mesmobeat Records Ltd ] ] ]PO Box 5520 ] ] ]Bishops Stortford ] ] ]Herts ] ] ]CM23 3WH ] ] ]UK ] ] ]Tel/Fax: +44 (0) 1279 865070 ] ] ]www.ozrics.com ] ] ] ] ] ] ]__
From: "XXX" [boclist@hwind.globalnet.co.uk] To: [stonehenge@stones.com] Subject: Hawkwind gig Date: 10 December 2000 13:01Hello,
Would you like to come and put up a stall at the Hawkwind Xmas/New Year party gig at the Astoria in London on 29th December 2000?
It is an all day event with the doors opening at 3.00pm.
For more details, go to the updates page of our website www.hawkwind.org.uk
Let us know if you are interested
Kris
(StoneForm) I am new to all of this and would like to know more. I have both of Douglas Monroe's books and have read them multiple times. Trying to figure out how to start on the "road to the future" alone has been a bit difficult and I figured this might be the place to turn. In all accuality, I would like to speak dirrectly to someone in The States in my area who can help me (if not Monroe himself). If there is anything that someone can help me with, please do so. I have been called in my heart and am looking for the answers that i desperatally need. Thank you for your time.
(From) Jevon Jamie Goutermout (Email) jevkim894552298@aol.com
[[[[[ who is Douglas Monroe??? ]]]]]
From: "chris" [chris@schmoo.co.uk] To: "dice george" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: Re: [dicenews] dates+TribalVoicesTapes+Stonehenge+Rainbows+more Date: 14 December 2000 17:50 Dear dice george - greetings from schmoo - hope the following information helps improve your lifestyle, makes the smile happen etc etc 1. Your FREE 'get out of jail free card' is waiting for you online at http://www.schmoo.co.uk/getout.htm - hopefully you will never need it but with all thease crazy cannabis laws around you never know what might happen so keep it with you just to be on the safe side. 2. If you have been emotionally effected by the 'election' of Gush you may well enjoy our 'Killerbush' graffic attack pages on the 'Pres-isn't' which have just been just updated at: http://www.schmoo.co.uk/killer.htm - there are also links to news, articles and even a poem. 3. Worldwide Cannabis Freedom Day - Sat May 5th 2001' for on going news and info : http://www.schmoo.co.uk/may2001.htm - loads of information plus pictures of past May marches & festivals in London. Worldwide Cannabis Action on Sat May 5th 2001 Currently Planned in 100+ cities worldwide including London (last year 80+) - Cannabis Declaration 2001 - Yes! I know there are people in prison in Britain and all over the world just for the possession of a herb! I am also aware that valuable medical and industrial uses of this herb are banned in many countries, denying low cost, ecologically sound benefits to billions of people. These are worldwide infringements of basic human rights. I therefore wish to support the 'International Cannabis Coalition' whose members are organising a 'Worldwide Day of Cannabis Action' in London and other world capitals on Sat May 5th 2001 calling for the urgent end to the prohibition of Cannabis worldwide. I agree that what is required now is the growth of 'Cannabis Action' groups prepared to work locally as part of a national and international coalition. Please put me on your mailing list and keep me informed and I will do the same. I enclose some stamps. Name: Address: Phone/Fax: E Mail: * I am prepared to act as a local organiser & help publicise this event in my local area * I would like to be a steward on the day (£10 expenses + food and more.) * Please send me festival stall booking information. * I enclose a £ donation to help make it really count. (pay: 'ICC'. Acc No: 0251 3200. Sort: 16 - 58 -10). Return to: International Cannabis Coalition (uk), PO Box 2243, London, W1A 1YF, UK. Tel: 020 7637 7467. Fax: 0870 0548646. E Mail: may2001 @ schmoo.co.uk. http://wwwschmoo.co.uk/may2001.htm All the best from the International Cannabis Coalition (UK) your contact: chris
From: "Lionel Rabb" [lrabb@omicrontech.net] To: "Dice" [george@dicenews.com] Subject: RE: stonehenge Date: 15 December 2000 15:30 Currently in London...are there accomondations out by Stonehenge around the 20th? What is at the george in amesbury before teh solstice? Thank you again for the information Lionel
From: "Gerald Van Waes" [Gerald.Van.Waes@pandora.be] To: [tribalvoices@geocities.com] Subject: interest from radio Centraal, Antwerp, Belgium Date: 15 December 2000 16:27 Dear group,While having a radioprogram "Psyche van het folk" on Radio Centraal,Antwerp I am very interested in your music which I heared linked on the Space Goats web linked on my research for ISB-like music. . I heared some samples and I like what you did. The favorite music I play is Psychedelic Folk and sometimes some Wicca-folk groups too. I think it is nececery that I'll make a program with your music once too. Is it possible to send your tapes to me (or make a special price, because I am completely broke at the moment at least untill february, but I really want to play you on my show).
Thanks in advance. If you want to see old playlist, please ask. If you want to receive the playlists with your music later I surely will send them. If you need some extra links or help searching for good mailorders I will help you too if you can help my program. I like it people mazking music like yours in these days.
Later your name will be linked to one of my web-pages in english for the radioprogram (They are still in preperation and will be linked later to my radioprogram on the dutch pages of www.radiocentraal.be).
Friendly greatings, Gerald Van Waes, (Radio Centraal, Antwerp), Maria-Theresialei 86, 2180 Antwerpen, Belgium
From: "Tony Gosling" [tony@gaia.org] To: [Recipient list suppressed] Subject: Season's Greetings Date: 16 December 2000 04:50 Link of the year 2000 http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk Lobster is a six-monthly magazine/journal devoted to parapolitics, uncovering hidden forces that govern the way we live. Typical articles include: 'The CIA, drugs and the media', Jane Affleck's web survey, 'the Rockefeller UFO initiative'. It is independently published by the editor and needs all the support it can get. The annual cost is between six and nine pounds stirling depending on where you live. Postal address and email at the bottom of the article. http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk now.. back to the land... Rights of Common Common Land is Land subject to Rights of Common - ie rights enjoyed by one or more persons to take or use part of a piece of land or the produce of a piece of land which is 'owned' by somebody else. Ancient rights of common were usually of five kinds, although there were others: - of pasture: the right to graze livestock; the animals permitted, whether sheep, horses, cattle, etc.,were specified in each case. - of estovers: the right to cut and take wood (but not timber), reeds heather bracken, etc. - of turbary: the right to dig turf or peat for fuel. - in the soil: the right to take sand, gravel, stone, coal, minerals, etc. - of piscary: the right to take fish from ponds, streams etc. A brief chronology 1066 --Norman Invasion, imposition of Norman Yoke 1086 --Domesday Book 1470-1900 --Enclosure 1536-1540 --Dissolution of the Monasteries 1549 --Kett's Rebellion 1642-1649 --English Civil War 1649 --The Diggers 1870-1903 --Irish Land Acts 1879-1881 --Irish Land League 1800-1882 --Highland Clearances 1882 --Crofters' War 1995- --The Land Is Ours, a landrights movement for Britain -- Tony Gosling [tony@gaia.org] 5 Warden Road Bedminster Bristol England BS3 1BU England Telephone +44 (0)117 953 1256 Mobile Phone +44 (0)7961 460171 ECOVILLAGE NETWORK UK http://www.ecovillages.org/uk/network/ THE LAND IS OURS: http://www.oneworld.org/tlio/ I-CONTACT VIDEO NETWORK: http://www.videonetwork.org TONY'S RESEARCH: http://www.bilderberg.org CITIPAGES: http://www.citipages.co.uk "...not only this Common, or Heath should be taken in and Manured by the People, but all the Commons and waste Ground in England, and in the whole World, shall be taken in by the People in righteousness, not owning any Property; but taking the Earth to be a Common Treasury, as it was first made for all." The Diggers' Manifesto - The True Levellers' Standard Advanced, 1649 Gerrard Winstanley http://www.bilderberg.org/land/diggers.htm
From: "Simon Knight" [wicker.man2000@virgin.net] To: [george@dicenews.com] Subject: chrissy Date: 16 December 2000 22:10 hiya George, jsut wondering whats happening at stonehenge or Avebury this winter solstice- any news on what the druids are up to - email me at Tantara2000@yahoo.com if you know anything thats going on over Christmas xx Chrissy
From: [JFSykes@aol.com] To: [stonehenge@stones.com] Subject: Summer Soltice Date: 18 December 2000 17:19 Please help me. We were at Stonehenge this past summer one day before the summer solstice. Tell me what that means and why so many people camped out there that night. I am doing a scrapbook page of Stonehenge and want to include this information. Thank you very much. Joyce Ferguson Sykesville MD jfsykes@aol.com
Date: 21 December 2000 18:41
I didn't realize until doing research today that Stonehenge had been practically closed down to those wishing to worship there.GRRRRR! Stonehenge and ley circles have been an intriguing study to me for the last five years and since begining my own journey of spiritual discovery and practice of magick I have wanted to celebrate my 21st birthday at Stonehenge. Hopefully I'll be able to. Anyway, if there is anthing I can do to support the campaign please let me know.Much love.
-Blessed Be
M. Aine Calquhoun
dragonwitch2002@yahoo.com
From: "clareslaney" [clareslaney@mistral.co.uk] To: [stonehengepeace@egroups.com] Subject: Re: [stonehengepeace] Finish it ! Date: 26 December 2000 05:06 ]]Has anyone ever thought about completing Stonehenge? It needs to be ]]restored to it original state. There is a lot more to Stonehenge than ]]peaple are seeing. Which one? There are something like 13 complete phases of Stonehenge. Have a fab holiday, love cs
From: "manuel joaquim da rocha gilvaia" [patriciacg@oninet.pt] To: [stonehenge@stones.com] Subject: about Date: 30 December 2000 06:24 I would like to know why people goes to stonehenge?What is the mistery
From: "George Firsoff" [george@greenleaf.demon.co.uk] Subject: Dalai Lama Date: 31 December 2000 11:46 ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Season's greetings and a fruitful new year re Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:05:27 -0000 Subject: DLama -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is what The Dalai Lama has to say on the millennium, which actually begins 01/01/2001 (and not 01/01/00). All it takes is a few seconds to read and think about. Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true even if you are not superstitious. Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: * Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk. * When you lose, don't lose the lesson. * Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, respect for others, responsibility for all your actions. * Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck. * Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. * Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. * When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it. * Spend some time alone every day. * Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. * Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. * Live a good, honorable life. Then, when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. * A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. * In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation. Don't bring up the past. * Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. * Be gentle with the earth. * Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. * Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each other exceeds your need for each other. * Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. * Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise (this is true even if you are not superstitious) if you send it to: * 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly. * 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking. * 9-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks. * 15 people and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you ever dreamed of will begin to take...
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